Historical Naval Data

[simon darkshade]

A thread for data and information of historical interest or utility to the alternate historian.

Length of Slips in the Major Naval Yards and Royal Dockyards 1942

Swan Hunter (Wallsend)
2 x 900+ ft
1 x 700-750ft
4 x 600-650ft
2 x 350-400ft

Vickers-Armstrongs (Newcastle)
2 x 900+ ft
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 550-600ft
1 x 500-500ft
3 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft

Fairfield
1 x 900+ ft
1 x 750-800ft
3 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft

John Brown
1 x 900+ ft
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft
2 x 450-500ft

Cammell-Laird
1 x 800-900ft
2 x 700-750ft
3 x 600-650ft 
1 x 500-550ft
3 x 450-500ft

Vickers-Armstrongs (Barrow)
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 750-800ft
1 x 650-700ft
3 x 600-650ft
6 x 550-600ft
2 x 400-450ft
2 x 350-400ft

Harland and Wolff 
1 x 900+ ft
5 x 800-900ft
2 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
5 x 550-600ft
2 x 500-550ft
1 x 450-500ft
1 x 400-450ft

Hawthorn Leslie
1 x 700-750ft
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
2 x 500-550ft
2 x 450-500ft
1 x 400-450ft
1 x 300-350ft

Alexander Stephen & Sons
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft
1 x 400-450ft

Denny
4 x 500-550ft
2 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft
1 x 350-400ft

Scotts
3 x 650-700ft
2 x 600-650ft
2 x 500-550ft
7 x 450-500ft

Thornycroft
2 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft
2 x 350-400ft
1 x 250-300ft

J. Samuel White
3 x 400-450ft
3 x 350-400ft
1 x 150ft

Yarrow
3 x 400-450ft
1 x 350-400ft
1 x 300-350ft

Portsmouth Royal Dockyard
1 x 600-650ft

Devonport Royal Dockyard 
1 x 750-800ft
1 x 400-450ft

Chatham Royal Dockyard
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 500-550ft

(Source: Building for Victory p 171, George Moore, Appendix 3)

Further contrast with the 1914 situation here:
www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuild02.htm
www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuild03.htm

This shows us that the principle absences from 1914 were Beardmores and Palmers

[lordroel]

Feb 11, 2023 3:12:56 GMT simon darkshade said:

A thread for data and information of historical interest or utility to the alternate historian.

Length of Slips in the Major Naval Yards and Royal Dockyards 1942

Swan Hunter (Wallsend)
2 x 900+ ft
1 x 700-750ft
4 x 600-650ft
2 x 350-400ft

Vickers-Armstrongs (Newcastle)
2 x 900+ ft
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 550-600ft
1 x 500-500ft
3 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft

Fairfield
1 x 900+ ft
1 x 750-800ft
3 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft

John Brown
1 x 900+ ft
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft
2 x 450-500ft

Cammell-Laird
1 x 800-900ft
2 x 700-750ft
3 x 600-650ft 
1 x 500-550ft
3 x 450-500ft

Vickers-Armstrongs (Barrow)
1 x 800-900ft
1 x 750-800ft
1 x 650-700ft
3 x 600-650ft
6 x 550-600ft
2 x 400-450ft
2 x 350-400ft

Harland and Wolff 
1 x 900+ ft
5 x 800-900ft
2 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
5 x 550-600ft
2 x 500-550ft
1 x 450-500ft
1 x 400-450ft

Hawthorn Leslie
1 x 700-750ft
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
2 x 500-550ft
2 x 450-500ft
1 x 400-450ft
1 x 300-350ft

Alexander Stephen & Sons
1 x 650-700ft
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 550-600ft
1 x 400-450ft

Denny
4 x 500-550ft
2 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft
1 x 350-400ft

Scotts
3 x 650-700ft
2 x 600-650ft
2 x 500-550ft
7 x 450-500ft

Thornycroft
2 x 450-500ft
2 x 400-450ft
2 x 350-400ft
1 x 250-300ft

J. Samuel White
3 x 400-450ft
3 x 350-400ft
1 x 150ft

Yarrow
3 x 400-450ft
1 x 350-400ft
1 x 300-350ft

Portsmouth Royal Dockyard
1 x 600-650ft

Devonport Royal Dockyard 
1 x 750-800ft
1 x 400-450ft

Chatham Royal Dockyard
1 x 600-650ft
1 x 500-550ft

(Source: Building for Victory p 171, George Moore, Appendix 3)

Further contrast with the 1914 situation here:
www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuild02.htm
www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritish-Shipbuild03.htm

This shows us that the principle absences from 1914 were Beardmores and Palmers

Nice idea, have sticky it.

[miletus12]

WWII Naval shipyard database.

Best internet source for naval artillery and torpedoes.

[stevep]

Mar 18, 2023 0:06:39 GMT miletus12 said:

WWII Naval shipyard database.

Best internet source for naval artillery and torpedoes.

  Given that it gives one location in the UK, which is actually a ROF [Royal Ordinance Factory] not a shipyard that 1st link is somewhat faulty.

[miletus12]

Mar 18, 2023 10:47:56 GMT stevep said:

Mar 18, 2023 0:06:39 GMT miletus12 said:

WWII Naval shipyard database.

Best internet source for naval artillery and torpedoes.

  Given that it gives one location in the UK, which is actually a ROF [Royal Ordinance Factory] not a shipyard that 1st link is somewhat faulty.

NAVAL artillery and testing facility for proofing barbette function ashore. You will see that Arsenel de Brest is listed for France and Norfolk Navy Yard (NAVAL Gun Factory) is listed for the Americans as well? That makes it a ship system assembly yard.

There are factories and weapon plants oriented to naval purposes on that list. More than one, such as aircraft plants for specifically naval aviation types: I would hardly call the Lockheed Burbank factory a navy yard. It did produce naval aircraft.  

[stevep]

Mar 18, 2023 13:21:56 GMT miletus12 said:

Mar 18, 2023 10:47:56 GMT stevep said:

  Given that it gives one location in the UK, which is actually a ROF [Royal Ordinance Factory] not a shipyard that 1st link is somewhat faulty.

NAVAL artillery and testing facility for proofing barbette function ashore. You will see that Arsenel de Brest is listed for France and Norfolk Navy Yard (NAVAL Gun Factory) is listed for the Americans as well? That makes it a ship system assembly yard.

There are factories and weapon plants oriented to naval purposes on that list. More than one, such as aircraft plants for specifically naval aviation types: I would hardly call the Lockheed Burbank factory a navy yard. It did produce naval aircraft.  

  Your missing the point, although I did possibly not explain it that well.  That ROF is the only UK installation mentioned on the list.  Its suggesting that the UK didn't have a single naval shipyard during WWII - which is something of an extreme error.

[miletus12]

Mar 19, 2023 11:15:55 GMT stevep said:

Mar 18, 2023 13:21:56 GMT miletus12 said:

NAVAL artillery and testing facility for proofing barbette function ashore. You will see that Arsenel de Brest is listed for France and Norfolk Navy Yard (NAVAL Gun Factory) is listed for the Americans as well? That makes it a ship system assembly yard.

There are factories and weapon plants oriented to naval purposes on that list. More than one, such as aircraft plants for specifically naval aviation types: I would hardly call the Lockheed Burbank factory a navy yard. It did produce naval aircraft.  

  Your missing the point, although I did possibly not explain it that well.  That ROF is the only UK installation mentioned on the list.  Its suggesting that the UK didn't have a single naval shipyard during WWII - which is something of an extreme error.

U-boat yards. For the Germans.

US Yards.

Well to be honest I was kind of surprised that the British built a barbette test stand next to the biggest shell filling facility in the UK.