Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC)

[lordroel]

Hello, this is the official page of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC), our mission, to classify Alternate Timelines and if they are safe to travel to ore to avoid at all cost.

First point, the name of the classification is called Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale (ATAS):

ATAS - 1, a Alternate Timeline with a change in a timeline that is almost not noticeable.
ATAS - 2
ATAS - 3
ATAS - 4
ATAS - 5, a Alternate Timeline to avoid at all cost.

[Max Sinister]

Doesn't that depend on the exact time and place? Earth is big, and some TLs take centuries.

[lordroel]

Mar 26, 2023 3:07:54 GMT Max Sinister said:

Doesn't that depend on the exact time and place? Earth is big, and some TLs take centuries.

Well then we can at a another marker to a Classification, one for a slow Timeline that is behind our current date, one for a present Timeline where the date is ours ore whatever they call it and a future Timeline which is ahead of ours.

ST - Slow Timeline.

PT- Present Timeline.

FT - Future Timeline.

[stevep]

Mar 25, 2023 20:55:01 GMT lordroel said:

Hello, this is the official page of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC), our mission, to classify Alternate Timelines and if they are safe to travel to ore to avoid at all cost.

First point, the name of the classification is called Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale (ATAS):

ATAS - 1, a Alternate Timeline with a change in a timeline that is almost not noticeable.
ATAS - 2
ATAS - 3
ATAS - 4
ATAS - 5, a Alternate Timeline to avoid at all cost.

  Well one issue is that a person's viewpoint on a TL would depend on their own values.  There are probably people who would find TTL as a ATAS-5.

  However if you want suggestions any TL with a Nazi total victory - no matter how unrealistic that is - any which involves a massive death-toll and also the Dominion of Draka.  That should start the ball rolling.

[lordroel]

Mar 26, 2023 11:50:25 GMT stevep said:

Mar 25, 2023 20:55:01 GMT lordroel said:

Hello, this is the official page of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC), our mission, to classify Alternate Timelines and if they are safe to travel to ore to avoid at all cost.

First point, the name of the classification is called Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale (ATAS):

ATAS - 1, a Alternate Timeline with a change in a timeline that is almost not noticeable.
ATAS - 2
ATAS - 3
ATAS - 4
ATAS - 5, a Alternate Timeline to avoid at all cost.

  Well one issue is that a person's viewpoint on a TL would depend on their own values.  There are probably people who would find TTL as a ATAS-5.

  However if you want suggestions any TL with a Nazi total victory - no matter how unrealistic that is - any which involves a massive death-toll and also the Dominion of Draka.  That should start the ball rolling.

So out first classification would be:

Our OTL is of course:

PT-ATAS - 0 - 001 (OTL)

Then the Domination would be:

FT-ATAS - 4/5 - 002 (Domination).

Why FT, well the last book ore entry to a Alternate Timeline is the timeline that is given, as Drakon is the last book, not short novel in this series and it starts in 2442 A.D, that is the classification, also why the Domination timeline gets the Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale 4/5 is that the Draka will most likely invade other timelines to enslave others but is not a full 5 yet that you should avoid at all cost.

[575]

Mar 26, 2023 12:04:36 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 26, 2023 11:50:25 GMT stevep said:

  Well one issue is that a person's viewpoint on a TL would depend on their own values.  There are probably people who would find TTL as a ATAS-5.

  However if you want suggestions any TL with a Nazi total victory - no matter how unrealistic that is - any which involves a massive death-toll and also the Dominion of Draka.  That should start the ball rolling.

So out first classification would be:

Our OTL is of course:

PT-ATAS - 0 - 001 (OTL)

Then the Domination would be:

FT-ATAS - 4/5 - 002 (Domination).

Why FT, well the last book ore entry to a Alternate Timeline is the timeline that is given, as Drakon is the last book, not short novel in this series and it starts in 2442 A.D, that is the classification, also why the Domination timeline gets the Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale 4/5 is that the Draka will most likely invade other timelines to enslave others but is not a full 5 yet that you should avoid at all cost.

Why? You may still land in Bakhmuth, Syria, Libya or some other area in some scale of warfare or gang-control which doesn't correspond to Your expectations of a risk free world.

Surely You could land in some time at some place in order to be elected for sacrifice or as a Black person in the CSA.

If OTL is something nice, regulated, civil, free of slaughter for whatever reason it in my book qualifies as at least a 1. Parts of it any other value.

[stevep]

Mar 25, 2023 20:55:01 GMT lordroel said:

Hello, this is the official page of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC), our mission, to classify Alternate Timelines and if they are safe to travel to ore to avoid at all cost.

First point, the name of the classification is called Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale (ATAS):

ATAS - 1, a Alternate Timeline with a change in a timeline that is almost not noticeable.
ATAS - 2
ATAS - 3
ATAS - 4
ATAS - 5, a Alternate Timeline to avoid at all cost.

  I see some relevance in 575's comment but I think the scale could be said to be trying to measure two separate things.  The description above relates ATAS -1 as minimal from OTL - i.e. measuring difference from OTL.  For the ATAS - 5 - as to be avoided at all costs that suggests a very nasty TL. 

  You could have a TL that would be as friendly to most/all of us as the best parts of our world but radically different in its history.  How would that be measured?

  Should have noticed this point earlier.

  PS similarly how would you measure a TL which has a recent PoD from OTL, say a Nazi wins scenario or a Cold war goes hot which leaves the world devastated to a TL which may have diverged a couple of millennia ago and hence had radically different cultures and populations but be roughly similar to OTL in technology and many cultural values?  Which would have the higher ranking?

  I think your got the makings of a good idea here but it possibly needs clarifying a bit as to what is being measured.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 26, 2023 16:19:56 GMT stevep said:

Mar 25, 2023 20:55:01 GMT lordroel said:

Hello, this is the official page of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC), our mission, to classify Alternate Timelines and if they are safe to travel to ore to avoid at all cost.

First point, the name of the classification is called Alternate Timelines Advisory Scale (ATAS):

ATAS - 1, a Alternate Timeline with a change in a timeline that is almost not noticeable.
ATAS - 2
ATAS - 3
ATAS - 4
ATAS - 5, a Alternate Timeline to avoid at all cost.

  I see some relevance in 575's comment but I think the scale could be said to be trying to measure two separate things.  The description above relates ATAS -1 as minimal from OTL - i.e. measuring difference from OTL.  For the ATAS - 5 - as to be avoided at all costs that suggests a very nasty TL. 

  You could have a TL that would be as friendly to most/all of us as the best parts of our world but radically different in its history.  How would that be measured?

  Should have noticed this point earlier.

  PS similarly how would you measure a TL which has a recent PoD from OTL, say a Nazi wins scenario or a Cold war goes hot which leaves the world devastated to a TL which may have diverged a couple of millennia ago and hence had radically different cultures and populations but be roughly similar to OTL in technology and many cultural values?  Which would have the higher ranking?

  I think your got the makings of a good idea here but it possibly needs clarifying a bit as to what is being measured.

  Steve

Well good points, both you and 575, seems i need to get back to the director of the Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification to solve this.

[lordroel]

The Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC) with the help from a outside advisaory agency called ChatGPT created this:

ATAS - 1 (Green) - Safe: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to. They have stable and peaceful societies, advanced technology, and friendly inhabitants. Travelers are unlikely to face any significant danger or challenges. Examples of ATAS - 1 timelines include a future where humanity has eliminated poverty, disease and environmental problems, or a timeline where the Roman Empire never fell and advanced into a utopian civilization.

ATAS - 2 (Yellow) - Low Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to, but may pose some minor risks or challenges. They may have some political or social tensions or conflicts, or some danger from environmental factors or predators. Travelers may need to take some precautions but should be able to navigate these timelines safely. Examples of ATAS - 2 timelines include a timeline where there is a worldwide water shortage, or a world where humans have made contact with alien life forms.

ATAS - 3 (Orange) - Moderate Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are moderately risky to travel to. They may have significant political or social unrest, natural disasters, or dangerous wildlife that can pose a serious threat to travelers. Travelers may need to have specific skills or knowledge to navigate these timelines safely, or require the assistance of local inhabitants. Examples of ATAS - 3 timelines include a timeline where a global pandemic has wiped out a significant portion of the human population, or a timeline where the planet is experiencing severe climate change.

ATAS - 4 (Red) - High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are highly risky to travel to. They may have extreme political or social instability, hostile inhabitants, or dangerous and deadly environments. Travelers may require specialized equipment, weapons or advanced technology to survive, and may still face significant danger even with these resources. Examples of ATAS - 4 timelines include a timeline where the world has been taken over by a totalitarian government, or a world where a deadly virus has turned humans into zombies.

ATAS - 5 (Black) - Extremely High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are extremely risky to travel to and should be avoided at all costs. They may have catastrophic events like a planet-wide nuclear war or asteroid impact, or have environments that are completely uninhabitable. Travelers who venture into these timelines are unlikely to survive, and any attempt to travel to these timelines should be avoided. Examples of ATAS - 5 timelines include a timeline where the planet has been destroyed by an asteroid impact, or a timeline where a massive black hole has consumed everything in the universe.

[Max Sinister]

OK, so TLs are measured by their average security on the planet, so to speak.

[lordroel]

Apr 5, 2023 18:33:23 GMT Max Sinister said:

OK, so TLs are measured by their average security on the planet, so to speak.

Well the ChatGPT advisory agency came with this several times, the last one was:

ATAS Level 1: Safe - This level indicates that the alternate timeline is relatively stable and safe for time travelers to visit. There may be minor differences from the traveler's own timeline, but they are not significant enough to pose any major risks or dangers.

ATAS Level 2: Caution - This level indicates that the alternate timeline is somewhat unstable or unpredictable, and there may be some risks involved in visiting. Time travelers should exercise caution and be prepared for unexpected events or situations.

ATAS Level 3: Warning - This level indicates that the alternate timeline is highly unstable or dangerous, and time travelers should avoid it unless absolutely necessary. There may be significant risks to personal safety or the integrity of the traveler's own timeline.

ATAS Level 4: Extreme Danger - This level indicates that the alternate timeline is extremely hazardous and should be avoided at all costs. Time travelers who visit this type of timeline may be at risk of permanent harm or death.

ATAS Level 5: Prohibited - This level indicates that the alternate timeline is so dangerous that it is strictly prohibited to visit under any circumstances. Time travelers who attempt to visit this type of timeline may face severe consequences, including the possibility of being permanently stranded or lost.

Both this and the previous one are almost the same i think.

[stevep]

Apr 5, 2023 18:18:55 GMT lordroel said:

The Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC) with the help from a outside advisaory agency called ChatGPT created this:

ATAS - 1 (Green) - Safe: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to. They have stable and peaceful societies, advanced technology, and friendly inhabitants. Travelers are unlikely to face any significant danger or challenges. Examples of ATAS - 1 timelines include a future where humanity has eliminated poverty, disease and environmental problems, or a timeline where the Roman Empire never fell and advanced into a utopian civilization.

ATAS - 2 (Yellow) - Low Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to, but may pose some minor risks or challenges. They may have some political or social tensions or conflicts, or some danger from environmental factors or predators. Travelers may need to take some precautions but should be able to navigate these timelines safely. Examples of ATAS - 2 timelines include a timeline where there is a worldwide water shortage, or a world where humans have made contact with alien life forms.

ATAS - 3 (Orange) - Moderate Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are moderately risky to travel to. They may have significant political or social unrest, natural disasters, or dangerous wildlife that can pose a serious threat to travelers. Travelers may need to have specific skills or knowledge to navigate these timelines safely, or require the assistance of local inhabitants. Examples of ATAS - 3 timelines include a timeline where a global pandemic has wiped out a significant portion of the human population, or a timeline where the planet is experiencing severe climate change.

ATAS - 4 (Red) - High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are highly risky to travel to. They may have extreme political or social instability, hostile inhabitants, or dangerous and deadly environments. Travelers may require specialized equipment, weapons or advanced technology to survive, and may still face significant danger even with these resources. Examples of ATAS - 4 timelines include a timeline where the world has been taken over by a totalitarian government, or a world where a deadly virus has turned humans into zombies.

ATAS - 5 (Black) - Extremely High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are extremely risky to travel to and should be avoided at all costs. They may have catastrophic events like a planet-wide nuclear war or asteroid impact, or have environments that are completely uninhabitable. Travelers who venture into these timelines are unlikely to survive, and any attempt to travel to these timelines should be avoided. Examples of ATAS - 5 timelines include a timeline where the planet has been destroyed by an asteroid impact, or a timeline where a massive black hole has consumed everything in the universe.

  OK that gives a straight relationship between how safe the TL might be to an ATAS rating.  There will still be details that might have to be considered.  For instance there's a lot of difference between personal security in say much of western Europe and parts of the ME or Africa for instance.  [Not to mention the Great Leader's paradise on Earth in North Korea!]  Plus there might be local differences depending on the would be visitors.  For instance again with OTL women traveling along or people of a certain ethnic or religious group could be a big cause for concern. 

  However it does give a basic system.  I wonder whether you would class a world where John Connor failed and Skynet won as a lvl 4 or lvl 5 for people to visit but either way something most rational people would want to avoid.

[lordroel]

Apr 5, 2023 20:54:00 GMT stevep said:

Apr 5, 2023 18:18:55 GMT lordroel said:

The Alternate Timelines Bureau of Classification (ATBC) with the help from a outside advisaory agency called ChatGPT created this:

ATAS - 1 (Green) - Safe: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to. They have stable and peaceful societies, advanced technology, and friendly inhabitants. Travelers are unlikely to face any significant danger or challenges. Examples of ATAS - 1 timelines include a future where humanity has eliminated poverty, disease and environmental problems, or a timeline where the Roman Empire never fell and advanced into a utopian civilization.

ATAS - 2 (Yellow) - Low Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are generally safe to travel to, but may pose some minor risks or challenges. They may have some political or social tensions or conflicts, or some danger from environmental factors or predators. Travelers may need to take some precautions but should be able to navigate these timelines safely. Examples of ATAS - 2 timelines include a timeline where there is a worldwide water shortage, or a world where humans have made contact with alien life forms.

ATAS - 3 (Orange) - Moderate Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are moderately risky to travel to. They may have significant political or social unrest, natural disasters, or dangerous wildlife that can pose a serious threat to travelers. Travelers may need to have specific skills or knowledge to navigate these timelines safely, or require the assistance of local inhabitants. Examples of ATAS - 3 timelines include a timeline where a global pandemic has wiped out a significant portion of the human population, or a timeline where the planet is experiencing severe climate change.

ATAS - 4 (Red) - High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are highly risky to travel to. They may have extreme political or social instability, hostile inhabitants, or dangerous and deadly environments. Travelers may require specialized equipment, weapons or advanced technology to survive, and may still face significant danger even with these resources. Examples of ATAS - 4 timelines include a timeline where the world has been taken over by a totalitarian government, or a world where a deadly virus has turned humans into zombies.

ATAS - 5 (Black) - Extremely High Risk: Alternate timelines in this tier are extremely risky to travel to and should be avoided at all costs. They may have catastrophic events like a planet-wide nuclear war or asteroid impact, or have environments that are completely uninhabitable. Travelers who venture into these timelines are unlikely to survive, and any attempt to travel to these timelines should be avoided. Examples of ATAS - 5 timelines include a timeline where the planet has been destroyed by an asteroid impact, or a timeline where a massive black hole has consumed everything in the universe.

  OK that gives a straight relationship between how safe the TL might be to an ATAS rating.  There will still be details that might have to be considered.  For instance there's a lot of difference between personal security in say much of western Europe and parts of the ME or Africa for instance.  [Not to mention the Great Leader's paradise on Earth in North Korea!]  Plus there might be local differences depending on the would be visitors.  For instance again with OTL women traveling along or people of a certain ethnic or religious group could be a big cause for concern. 

  However it does give a basic system.  I wonder whether you would class a world where John Connor failed and Skynet won as a lvl 4 or lvl 5 for people to visit but either way something most rational people would want to avoid.

I would put a Skynet dominated Earth from the movies into ATAS - 4 (Red) - High Risk.