If the Mexicans successfully crushed the Texas revolution of 1836, could California still have Ameri

[raharris1973]

If the Mexicans had successfully crushed the Texas revolution of 1836, without triggering a US intervention to rescue the Texas cause, and leading to the flight of the lion's share of highly-politicized Anglo-Texans unreconciled to Mexican rule, what would have happened throughout Mexico and the US over the next decade?

Would this weaken or prevent other separatist challenges of the decade, like the Rio Grande Republic or Yucatan?

Would the probable crackdown on/discouragement of American immigration to Mexican Texas necessarily extend to all northern Mexico, or be largely limited to Texas? For example, would the growth of the American, and larger English-speaking, community in California, especially San Francisco Bay, be curtailed? Would the Mormons still migrate to Salt Lake?

Even without a Texas Republic in existence from 1836 on, would it be possible or probable for Anglo-Americans in California to mount a 'Bear Flag revolt' similar to OTL's by 1846? Could that lead to an American intervention and Mexican-American war?

Would American prospective acquisition of Mexican territory spearheaded by California rather than Texas be less controversial between the sections, because of it not necessarily expanding the frontiers of slavery? Or would northern abolitionists assume, simply because of straight latitude measures, that an American California would be slave territory?  Or would southerners consider it Yankee-ified, and thus, unwanted?

[miletus12]

Jul 21, 2023 2:04:49 GMT raharris1973 said:

If the Mexicans had successfully crushed the Texas revolution of 1836, without triggering a US intervention to rescue the Texas cause, and leading to the flight of the lion's share of highly-politicized Anglo-Texans unreconciled to Mexican rule, what would have happened throughout Mexico and the US over the next decade?

Would this weaken or prevent other separatist challenges of the decade, like the Rio Grande Republic or Yucatan?

Would the probable crackdown on/discouragement of American immigration to Mexican Texas necessarily extend to all northern Mexico, or be largely limited to Texas? For example, would the growth of the American, and larger English-speaking, community in California, especially San Francisco Bay, be curtailed? Would the Mormons still migrate to Salt Lake?

Even without a Texas Republic in existence from 1836 on, would it be possible or probable for Anglo-Americans in California to mount a 'Bear Flag revolt' similar to OTL's by 1846? Could that lead to an American intervention and Mexican-American war?

Would American prospective acquisition of Mexican territory spearheaded by California rather than Texas be less controversial between the sections, because of it not necessarily expanding the frontiers of slavery? Or would northern abolitionists assume, simply because of straight latitude measures, that an American California would be slave territory?  Or would southerners consider it Yankee-ified, and thus, unwanted?

I do not know about this one. California, once gold was discovered, would be wrested from Mexico by somebody. Santa Anna was incredibly stupid, even for a Caudillo, so war with the United States is somehow inevitable., due to the Comanches if not another Filibuster.  Other internal rebellions might be more likely. There is no major Gringo threat to unify the factions around Santa Anna marching on Mexico City in the offing.