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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 29, 2024 15:25:20 GMT
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Post by stevep on Mar 30, 2024 1:15:52 GMT
Damn you Simon. I wanted to get an early night and you spring this on us.  Fascinating look at the mechanics ass well as operational. tactical and leadership aspects and looking at both film and book. It shows that Tolkien put a lot more detail in the campaign than I had realised. |
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Post by 575 on Apr 4, 2024 18:40:25 GMT
Link from the interesting reading for more interesting reading link |
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Post by stevep on Apr 4, 2024 23:05:56 GMT
Link from the interesting reading for more interesting reading link
Yes read that as well. He shows Sauraman as far less capable than often viewed. Also while he points out there were restrictions on Jackson due to both the nature of films and also health and safety issues his films were far inferior in terms of accuracy of operation & logistics, the types of weapons and tactics that would be used and how he handled the characters compared to the books with a lot of misrepresentation and trivialization in the latter case.
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 24, 2024 21:56:16 GMT
Some thought about sth. completely different but on-topic: Many people have pointed out the similarity of the events in the Hobbit and LOTR with the one or other world war. Now I'm wondering... if there was an ATL where the Allies lost WW2 or WW1, what kind of story would Tolkien write then? A story where the bad guys win as well, so the good folks have to flee to the west? Admit it, it does make sense. (And readers in this ATL might state "If we hadn't lost the war, Tolkien's stories would be about elves and hobbits etc. living forever in peace and harmony in Middle-Earth...)
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Post by simon darkshade on May 10, 2024 13:34:02 GMT
On the passing of Bernard Hill:
I don’t think there has been a better scene than this by in 100+ years of cinema
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Post by Max Sinister on May 14, 2024 23:42:58 GMT
Some thought about sth. completely different but on-topic: Many people have pointed out the similarity of the events in the Hobbit and LOTR with the one or other world war. Now I'm wondering... if there was an ATL where the Allies lost WW2 or WW1, what kind of story would Tolkien write then? A story where the bad guys win as well, so the good folks have to flee to the west? Admit it, it does make sense. (And readers in this ATL might state "If we hadn't lost the war, Tolkien's stories would be about elves and hobbits etc. living forever in peace and harmony in Middle-Earth...) I've talked to a fellow Tolkien fan about this who's more knowledgeable about the topic. He thinks: Tolkien had had the idea before 1940 and worked on it already.
Still I wonder... a nazi victory, even if only on the continent (any more would be unrealistic), would be a huge shock. Maybe it'd make Tolkien change his mind?
Of course, this'll mean that he'll have to think up another story of how Middle-Earth will get rid of Sauron again. {Spoiler}
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Post by simon darkshade on May 15, 2024 5:44:22 GMT
Whilst early on I did say that I couldn’t foresee why anyone would wish to discuss The Rings of Power, the trailer for their grand Season 2 has dropped. Sauron’s big disguise to infiltrate Celebrimbor’s circle and the elven kingdoms…is a long blond wig. You couldn’t make this rubbish up.  |
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Post by stevep on May 15, 2024 8:26:58 GMT
Whilst early on I did say that I couldn’t foresee why anyone would wish to discuss The Rings of Power, the trailer for their grand Season 2 has dropped. Sauron’s big disguise to infiltrate Celebrimbor’s circle and the elven kingdoms…is a long blond wig. You couldn’t make this rubbish up.
An intelligent person who gave a damn about the ME background couldn't but some idiots have.
Well there are a lot of blonde elves but I do remember reading a comment by someone saying the best explanation of Galadrial's behaviour in series 1 was that it was actually Sauron is disguise seeking to divide and discredit the elves.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 15, 2024 9:45:19 GMT
That is a good one. Also note that Sauron’s wig is the first time an elf actually has proper/canonical hair in that show.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 20, 2024 15:54:36 GMT
An AI trailer for a 1990s LOTR treatment with some good and some ‘interesting’ casting choices.
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Post by stevep on May 20, 2024 20:18:40 GMT
An AI trailer for a 1990s LOTR treatment with some good and some ‘interesting’ casting choices.
I see what you mean about interesting choices. One or two of them the mind boggles. Although at least they would have included Tom B in the cast. The idea of Mel Gibson as Aragorn however!! Interesting that it also includes a very humanoid looking Sauron although whether that's in a flashback to the 2nd age before the fall I don't know as after that he was unable to present himself other than as a horrendous form that duplicated his character. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 21, 2024 11:34:31 GMT
Steve,
Some of them work quite well, whilst others seem just a tad off, and others again are very silly. I’d put Mel Gibson as Aragorn in the last category. The inclusion of Sauron is rather a mystery, presumably coming from whatever instructions were fed to the AI prompt. It isn’t the worst effort, or worst cast, but does contain a very American flavour.
David Bowie as Elrond works very well, as does Ian McShane as Theoden, but the best idea is Anthony Hopkins as Denethor, at the right time of the actor’s life and powers. Connery as Gandalf wouldn’t be the worst move, but his inability to do anything but a Scottish accent would break immersion a tad.
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Post by Max Sinister on May 22, 2024 14:01:42 GMT
- Showing Tom Bombadil? Robin Williams fits the humourous part, but Tom Bombadil is more than that. Peter Jackson was right to leave him out. You can't show the unexplainable like that.
- Similarly: Showing Sauron's face? Not a good idea.
- Macaulay and Leonardo? No.
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Post by stevep on May 22, 2024 15:10:44 GMT
- Showing Tom Bombadil? Robin Williams fits the humourous part, but Tom Bombadil is more than that. Peter Jackson was right to leave him out. You can't show the unexplainable like that. - Similarly: Showing Sauron's face? Not a good idea. - Macaulay and Leonardo? No.
Well I would like to see Tom but I agree that including him means explaining a small but somewhat complex arc so that's a change from Jackson I understand him leaving out.
On the other points I can definitely agree. At least with Sauron not being human in appearance.
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Fascinating look at the mechanics ass well as operational. tactical and leadership aspects and looking at both film and book. It shows that Tolkien put a lot more detail in the campaign than I had realised.
