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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Apr 30, 2024 16:42:27 GMT
October 15th is exactly 1 day after the battle of Hastings and the Spanish Armada is ISOTed to that date
They have over 100 ships, 10,000 sailors and 19,000 soldiers.
They are perplexed to meet no naval resistance and then disembark in a strange country. They decide to proceed with the invasion anyway.
They defeat William the Conqueror with ease, they both outnumber and outgun him significantly. They proceed to capture both London and Winchester.
Now what happens next assuming they decide to stay in England?
They will surely introduce gunpowder, firearms, plate armor, the star fort and a myriad of other inventions to England since those 29,000 men include folks from all walks of life. They'll assimilate into the English society within 3-4 generations since all of them will have to take Anglo Saxon wives but they will remain the ruling elite.
How will the new, strengthened England influence Europe and the world?
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Post by lordroel on Apr 30, 2024 17:11:14 GMT
October 15th is exactly 1 day after the battle of Hastings and the Spanish Armada is ISOTed to that date They have over 100 ships, 10,000 sailors and 19,000 soldiers. They are perplexed to meet no naval resistance and then disembark in a strange country. They decide to proceed with the invasion anyway. They defeat William the Conqueror with ease, they both outnumber and outgun him significantly. They proceed to capture both London and Winchester. Now what happens next assuming they decide to stay in England? They will surely introduce gunpowder, firearms, plate armor, the star fort and a myriad of other inventions to England since those 29,000 men include folks from all walks of life. They'll assimilate into the English society within 3-4 generations since all of them will have to take Anglo Saxon wives but they will remain the ruling elite. How will the new, strengthened England influence Europe and the world? The Spanish of 1588 will be seen as demons by the Spanish of 1066. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Apr 30, 2024 17:13:26 GMT
... How so?
Does ot have something to do with their overzealousness or tech edge?
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Post by lordroel on Apr 30, 2024 17:20:47 GMT
Does ot have something to do with their overzealousness or tech edge? How would you react when somebody 500 years from the future comes before you. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 30, 2024 22:24:36 GMT
At this time England, along with the rest of the British Isles are Catholic although there will be a lot of confusion over who the pope is and some differences in doctrine and the like. Mind you it could be some time before they understand what's actually happened. Which could well prompt an even deeper feeling of religious commitment as they would have seen it as a miracle from god. How they will relate to the 11thC papacy will be an important matter.
During this period several other matters come to mind. At this point southern Iberia is still under Muslim control and Spain as a kingdom doesn't exist. There is likely to be a desire among many, especially in the commanders, to crusade to the peninsula and drive the Moors out or at least crush them and seek to establish a Spanish state although who would be the monarch?
Its also a few years before the start of the 1st crusade to the holy lands so you could see them playing a major role in that if they wish and are willing to send along the relevant technology and training. Some canon especially would definitely change the nature of sieges.
They might also, after creating a Spanish state, seek to restore the empire in the Americas. Which given enough forces and supplies they can do although they will find different nations in the region as its ~450 years before the start of the OTL conquests.
Did the Armada actually have that many soldiers aboard as they were due to pick up Parma's army in the Netherlands which to the best of my knowledge they never did, to provide the main force for the conquest of England and occupation?
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Post by stevep on Apr 30, 2024 22:27:48 GMT
Does ot have something to do with their overzealousness or tech edge? How would you react when somebody 500 years from the future comes before you.
In the modern time period probably not massively, although that would depend on what they were like. To 11thC western Europe its going to be a massive shock and most won't believe it until they see clear physical evidence, such as some of the huge ships and the effects of firepower. Which given its appearance and effects some might argue its demonic in nature. However there's a smaller social and cultural difference than there would be between 1588 and today for instance.
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