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Post by 575 on Sept 21, 2024 7:46:21 GMT
Weimar Republic Day 7 Chancellor Stresemann informed the President of the developments so far. Stresemann much regretted the slow proceeding of communications in 1823; it did of course give Germany much needed time to adjust itself from the calamities of 1923 but it also made for some practical issues to surface. Germany had lost its trade network in Europe or actually the World. Not only that but this 1823 World was much less developed to serve the needs of Germany. To underline his arguement Stresemann drew up the population numbers of the Great Powers and some other countries neighbouring Germany and the USA - Population no's: Weimar Germany 1923 – ca. 62 mill. Austrian Empire 1823 – ca. 31 mill. Imperial Russia 1823 – ca. 50 mill. French Empire 1823 – ca. 31 mill. Britain 1823 – ca. 21 mill.Denmark 1823 – ca. 1 mill. Sweden – Norway 1823 – ca. 3,5 mill. Netherlands 1823 – ca. 2,5 mill. Spain 1823 – ca. 11 mill. Greece 1823 – ca. 0,9 mill. Italy 1823 – ca. 19 mill. USA 1823 – ca. 9,6 mill. Just to feed the industry Germany would actually to some degree have to uplift the World around it to meet demands. Sure for the time being that wasn't a real issue but soon would become. One thing that definately wasn't to be repeated was the transition of chemical industry during the World War to fully support the armaments industry and thus almost cease to produce fertilizer which had served for the famine in conjunction with the Allied Blockade. So to be able to keep industry running raw materials were needed in amounts that the 1823 World might have problems in delivering. The other side of the coin being that the 1823 World would demand payment backed by Gold and even though Germany had a sizeable Gold reserve it was only half of that available in 1914. The communications of this 1823 World was a challenge to the mindset of the German Republic as no railways was operated outside it thus transport of raw materials would be done by shipping or carriage! IF trade was to be initiated what to exchange with the 1823 Nations? Baku oilfields was in some primitive form of production but at this time it was under Russian control though nominally party to the Baku Khanganate. Production was quite small as was the case of Austrian Galizia and not initiated in Wallachia. Stresemann had thought of medical equipment and drugs as well as other chemical production. Steamengines and waggons to make transport of needed raw materials possible in quantity needed by Germany. It was actually an important political decision to make. Due to its 100 years of advance in science and technology as well as industrial development Germany was fully able to wage a victorious war on its borders but it had to be short and decisive – essentially the war the Army trained for. The important issue being that there would be a day after tomorrow in a basically foreign World that Germany had to live in. Stresemann was discussing the issues within Government but wanted to inform the President for his views of the situation as head of State.
A thought just occurred to me about Britain. Do those figures include pre-famine Ireland? Either way there will be the knowledge available here to avoid or at least greatly mitigate it and also with the changed world situation I don't think 1840's Britain will be as attracted to either laissez faire or free trade in a protectionist world.
Found the figures here - used the 1821 entry. Good point though that might make for some political discussions at Parliament I'd guess.
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2024 10:15:02 GMT
A thought just occurred to me about Britain. Do those figures include pre-famine Ireland? Either way there will be the knowledge available here to avoid or at least greatly mitigate it and also with the changed world situation I don't think 1840's Britain will be as attracted to either laissez faire or free trade in a protectionist world.
Found the figures here - used the 1821 entry. Good point though that might make for some political discussions at Parliament I'd guess.
Right that does include Ireland. Wasn't sure as too long since I had looked things up. Reports of the famine and its aftermath, although a somewhat low priority as a 'distant future event that may not happen' will definitely have an impact. In the short term the potential threat Germany will pose, militarily, economically and socially will be the main concern and have a lot of the ruling elites especially in a tizzy.
There are options that could lead to a better deal. In some ways Britain is in a good position as an intermediately between Germany and the rest of the world, supplying shipping for trade which are available in large amounts and can use down-time facilities around the world. Also its by some way the most liberal of the great powers of 1823 and has long had close relations with the German states. On the other hand Germany has suddenly supplanted Britain as the world's leading economic power and for Germany it has the hostility built up before and during WWI towards Britain which could colour judgement on both sides.
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Post by 575 on Sept 21, 2024 11:09:17 GMT
Found the figures here - used the 1821 entry. Good point though that might make for some political discussions at Parliament I'd guess.
Right that does include Ireland. Wasn't sure as too long since I had looked things up. Reports of the famine and its aftermath, although a somewhat low priority as a 'distant future event that may not happen' will definitely have an impact. In the short term the potential threat Germany will pose, militarily, economically and socially will be the main concern and have a lot of the ruling elites especially in a tizzy.
There are options that could lead to a better deal. In some ways Britain is in a good position as an intermediately between Germany and the rest of the world, supplying shipping for trade which are available in large amounts and can use down-time facilities around the world. Also its by some way the most liberal of the great powers of 1823 and has long had close relations with the German states. On the other hand Germany has suddenly supplanted Britain as the world's leading economic power and for Germany it has the hostility built up before and during WWI towards Britain which could colour judgement on both sides.
I have dug up some interesting information for the next post regarding the 1923 situation relating to the Great Powers of 1823 in some way or other which may have some impact on the situation. Am writing stuff so be patient.  |
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2024 11:21:46 GMT
Right that does include Ireland. Wasn't sure as too long since I had looked things up. Reports of the famine and its aftermath, although a somewhat low priority as a 'distant future event that may not happen' will definitely have an impact. In the short term the potential threat Germany will pose, militarily, economically and socially will be the main concern and have a lot of the ruling elites especially in a tizzy.
There are options that could lead to a better deal. In some ways Britain is in a good position as an intermediately between Germany and the rest of the world, supplying shipping for trade which are available in large amounts and can use down-time facilities around the world. Also its by some way the most liberal of the great powers of 1823 and has long had close relations with the German states. On the other hand Germany has suddenly supplanted Britain as the world's leading economic power and for Germany it has the hostility built up before and during WWI towards Britain which could colour judgement on both sides.
I have dug up some interesting information for the next post regarding the 1923 situation relating to the Great Powers of 1823 in some way or other which may have some impact on the situation. Am writing stuff so be patient.
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Post by 575 on Sept 21, 2024 12:06:23 GMT
Foreign Diplomats
Stresemann had in his dual role as Min of Foreign Affairs had talks with the Ambassadors/Ministers of a number of nations –
the British RH Lord D'Abernon was the staunch defender of Germany not being in a position to unleash war on Europe,
French de Margerie had been sceptical of the French policy towards the Weimar Republic indeed so of the occupation of the Ruhr,
Austrian Riedl had been Envoy since 1921 had 1908 started a Deutschen/German Klub in Vienna that wanted Anschluss and former Government official though probably not the man to negotiate the Austrian Empire,
US Ambassador Houghton had studied in Germany pre-World War and worked to restore the economy of Europe,
Netherlands Gevers had studied in Germany and resided the position since 1906,
the Belgian della Faille had been named ambassador to Germany 1920 to get relations reestablished,
Swedens Envoy Ramel was known as pro-German,
Soviet Krestinsky being a Trotsky supporter had the seat since 1922,
Italian Count Bosdari was following Italian policy towards his host though had lost his nation,
the Spanish Guardiola,
the Danish Count Moltke had held the chair since 1912,
the Greek Periklis Noulis.
There was no minister/envoy representing Turkey.
Stresemann informed the President that he would let the various Ambassadors and Envoy's travel to their home countries – except Soviet Krestinsky and Czech Tusar – to inform them of the situation.
So should also be the case of the Swiss Rüfenacht.
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2024 18:31:24 GMT
Foreign Diplomats Stresemann had in his dual role as Min of Foreign Affairs had talks with the Ambassadors/Ministers of a number of nations – the British RH Lord D'Abernon was the staunch defender of Germany not being in a position to unleash war on Europe, French de Margerie had been sceptical of the French policy towards the Weimar Republic indeed so of the occupation of the Ruhr, Austrian Riedl had been Envoy since 1921 had 1908 started a Deutschen/German Klub in Vienna that wanted Anschluss and former Government official though probably not the man to negotiate the Austrian Empire, US Ambassador Houghton had studied in Germany pre-World War and worked to restore the economy of Europe, Netherlands Gevers had studied in Germany and resided the position since 1906, the Belgian della Faille had been named ambassador to Germany 1920 to get relations reestablished, Swedens Envoy Ramel was known as pro-German, Soviet Krestinsky being a Trotsky supporter had the seat since 1922, Italian Count Bosdari was following Italian policy towards his host though had lost his nation, the Spanish Guardiola, the Danish Count Moltke had held the chair since 1912, the Greek Periklis Noulis. There was no minister/envoy representing Turkey. Stresemann informed the President that he would let the various Ambassadors and Envoy's travel to their home countries – except Soviet Krestinsky and Czech Tusar – to inform them of the situation. So should also be the case of the Swiss Rüfenacht.
That is going to be interesting for most if not all those people as they 'return' to a land that is probably more alien to them than Germany in many ways. Their going to be concerned about the slow rate of transportation and communications and horrified about the levels of sanitation and medical knowledge.
It might be an idea to find someone who isn't a communist to visit St Petersburg else the Russians might feel that their being excluded in some way. Definitely a Trotskist is not a good match for the Czar. Thinking about it in Russia things were building up to the Decembrist's revolt, which in failing seems to have made the Czar even more reactionary. Its likely than some news of this 'future' event will slip out which could trigger an earlier reaction. The Czar is going to be even less happy in hearing about the events of 1917-23.
The Italian ambassador might end up going to Savoy as its the power which had the leading role in unifying Italy especially since at this time so much of Italy is in foreign hands, especially the Hapsburg's in the north and Bourbon's in the south.
There isn't a Greek nation at the moment although the Greek war of independence had started. OTL it was aid from the British, French and Russians, including navy intervention that played a key role in defeating the Ottomans and Egyptians but what happens here? 1923 Germany had a recent alliance with the Ottoman empire but it might not be willing to stomach the level of brutality and oppression of the 1823 Ottomans.
At this point in time Belgium doesn't exist and is part of the kingdom of the United Netherlands so what happens with della Faille is difficult.
Anyway initial thoughts.
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Post by 575 on Sept 21, 2024 19:01:12 GMT
Foreign Diplomats Stresemann had in his dual role as Min of Foreign Affairs had talks with the Ambassadors/Ministers of a number of nations – the British RH Lord D'Abernon was the staunch defender of Germany not being in a position to unleash war on Europe, French de Margerie had been sceptical of the French policy towards the Weimar Republic indeed so of the occupation of the Ruhr, Austrian Riedl had been Envoy since 1921 had 1908 started a Deutschen/German Klub in Vienna that wanted Anschluss and former Government official though probably not the man to negotiate the Austrian Empire, US Ambassador Houghton had studied in Germany pre-World War and worked to restore the economy of Europe, Netherlands Gevers had studied in Germany and resided the position since 1906, the Belgian della Faille had been named ambassador to Germany 1920 to get relations reestablished, Swedens Envoy Ramel was known as pro-German, Soviet Krestinsky being a Trotsky supporter had the seat since 1922, Italian Count Bosdari was following Italian policy towards his host though had lost his nation, the Spanish Guardiola, the Danish Count Moltke had held the chair since 1912, the Greek Periklis Noulis. There was no minister/envoy representing Turkey. Stresemann informed the President that he would let the various Ambassadors and Envoy's travel to their home countries – except Soviet Krestinsky and Czech Tusar – to inform them of the situation. So should also be the case of the Swiss Rüfenacht.
That is going to be interesting for most if not all those people as they 'return' to a land that is probably more alien to them than Germany in many ways. Their going to be concerned about the slow rate of transportation and communications and horrified about the levels of sanitation and medical knowledge.
It might be an idea to find someone who isn't a communist to visit St Petersburg else the Russians might feel that their being excluded in some way. Definitely a Trotskist is not a good match for the Czar. Thinking about it in Russia things were building up to the Decembrist's revolt, which in failing seems to have made the Czar even more reactionary. Its likely than some news of this 'future' event will slip out which could trigger an earlier reaction. The Czar is going to be even less happy in hearing about the events of 1917-23.
The Italian ambassador might end up going to Savoy as its the power which had the leading role in unifying Italy especially since at this time so much of Italy is in foreign hands, especially the Hapsburg's in the north and Bourbon's in the south.
There isn't a Greek nation at the moment although the Greek war of independence had started. OTL it was aid from the British, French and Russians, including navy intervention that played a key role in defeating the Ottomans and Egyptians but what happens here? 1923 Germany had a recent alliance with the Ottoman empire but it might not be willing to stomach the level of brutality and oppression of the 1823 Ottomans.
At this point in time Belgium doesn't exist and is part of the kingdom of the United Netherlands so what happens with della Faille is difficult.
Anyway initial thoughts.
Thought I got Your attention with this! 
No, I don't see Kristinsky going to St. Petersburgh knowing well the history of his country. Some kind of regime reaction might well be triggered and steps taken to avert the downfall even if its almost a century into the future and anyway without Karl Marx things are bound to play out differently (certainly I don't know at this stage) though various groups such as syndicalist's and anarkists may well develop. With the abundance of ambassadors without a nation there is room for change to happen when news begin to seep out ouf Germany. Italy - neighter Austria nor France will like the prospect of a unified new large nation.
As I understand the Germans were like most Europeans greco-pro at least with regard to the legacy of democracy and science of Greece of Antiquity. At the same time the rulers were adverse as it opened the door to democracy in whatever form! The King of Denmark jailed peoples for life for airing or writing of such.
Netherlands may have a look into the looking glass and may not like what they see.
Of course the 1923 Ambassadors and Envoy's won't enjoy - I guess - going "home" and not all will voluntarily do so; della Faille may be one.
However everything is in low gear development vise as are the times of communications travelling in 1823 - and these have to pass through the view of the ruling elite.
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2024 21:58:51 GMT
That is going to be interesting for most if not all those people as they 'return' to a land that is probably more alien to them than Germany in many ways. Their going to be concerned about the slow rate of transportation and communications and horrified about the levels of sanitation and medical knowledge.
It might be an idea to find someone who isn't a communist to visit St Petersburg else the Russians might feel that their being excluded in some way. Definitely a Trotskist is not a good match for the Czar. Thinking about it in Russia things were building up to the Decembrist's revolt, which in failing seems to have made the Czar even more reactionary. Its likely than some news of this 'future' event will slip out which could trigger an earlier reaction. The Czar is going to be even less happy in hearing about the events of 1917-23.
The Italian ambassador might end up going to Savoy as its the power which had the leading role in unifying Italy especially since at this time so much of Italy is in foreign hands, especially the Hapsburg's in the north and Bourbon's in the south.
There isn't a Greek nation at the moment although the Greek war of independence had started. OTL it was aid from the British, French and Russians, including navy intervention that played a key role in defeating the Ottomans and Egyptians but what happens here? 1923 Germany had a recent alliance with the Ottoman empire but it might not be willing to stomach the level of brutality and oppression of the 1823 Ottomans.
At this point in time Belgium doesn't exist and is part of the kingdom of the United Netherlands so what happens with della Faille is difficult.
Anyway initial thoughts.
Thought I got Your attention with this!
No, I don't see Kristinsky going to St. Petersburgh knowing well the history of his country. Some kind of regime reaction might well be triggered and steps taken to avert the downfall even if its almost a century into the future and anyway without Karl Marx things are bound to play out differently (certainly I don't know at this stage) though various groups such as syndicalist's and anarkists may well develop. With the abundance of ambassadors without a nation there is room for change to happen when news begin to seep out ouf Germany. Italy - neighter Austria nor France will like the prospect of a unified new large nation.
As I understand the Germans were like most Europeans greco-pro at least with regard to the legacy of democracy and science of Greece of Antiquity. At the same time the rulers were adverse as it opened the door to democracy in whatever form! The King of Denmark jailed peoples for life for airing or writing of such.
Netherlands may have a look into the looking glass and may not like what they see.
Of course the 1923 Ambassadors and Envoy's won't enjoy - I guess - going "home" and not all will voluntarily do so; della Faille may be one.
However everything is in low gear development vise as are the times of communications travelling in 1823 - and these have to pass through the view of the ruling elite.
The other thing that comes to mind would be the question of information. How much will the Germans seek to control and how much will various ambassadors and other groups seek to get out, either for reasons of loyalty or simply to make a profit. I can see a lot of people seeking to get books out of Germany, especially any which are in their native language although translation of German would be fairly easy. A lot of technical stuff as well as historical and possibly social/political in assorted places. Plus also possibly information about mineral wealth and the like. As well as the diplomatic staff there's going to be a fair number of other people from various locations in Germany at this point so going to be a lot of people the German government would have to keep track of, even apart from probably some of their own citizens.
Furthermore US Ambassador Houghton could have some issues getting home. Both in terms of getting across the Atlantic then persuading the 1823 government as to his identity and what he's trying to tell them. Still its going to be a lot easier for governments in Europe since evidence of the change will be far easily to come across. However still probably easier than for anyone from further afield. Assuming there are Japanese and Chinese ambassadors in Germany their going to have problems being accepted at home. Ditto with all those countries in Latin American that are only just gaining their independence from Spain.
Which makes me think again - sorry bad habit I have. One obviously factor will be mineral wealth with a lot of people from both centuries interested in where wealth such as gold, silver,, diamonds and the like as well as factors such as coal, oil - although that will only really be of interest to the Germans currently, and possibly others. I think that places like California, Australia and South Africa especially could be of interest to many people. Also there might be interest in ideas like a canal in Suez. There could be a lot of competition for certain locations. |
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Post by 575 on Sept 22, 2024 9:41:38 GMT
Thought I got Your attention with this!
No, I don't see Kristinsky going to St. Petersburgh knowing well the history of his country. Some kind of regime reaction might well be triggered and steps taken to avert the downfall even if its almost a century into the future and anyway without Karl Marx things are bound to play out differently (certainly I don't know at this stage) though various groups such as syndicalist's and anarkists may well develop. With the abundance of ambassadors without a nation there is room for change to happen when news begin to seep out ouf Germany. Italy - neighter Austria nor France will like the prospect of a unified new large nation.
As I understand the Germans were like most Europeans greco-pro at least with regard to the legacy of democracy and science of Greece of Antiquity. At the same time the rulers were adverse as it opened the door to democracy in whatever form! The King of Denmark jailed peoples for life for airing or writing of such.
Netherlands may have a look into the looking glass and may not like what they see.
Of course the 1923 Ambassadors and Envoy's won't enjoy - I guess - going "home" and not all will voluntarily do so; della Faille may be one.
However everything is in low gear development vise as are the times of communications travelling in 1823 - and these have to pass through the view of the ruling elite.
The other thing that comes to mind would be the question of information. How much will the Germans seek to control and how much will various ambassadors and other groups seek to get out, either for reasons of loyalty or simply to make a profit. I can see a lot of people seeking to get books out of Germany, especially any which are in their native language although translation of German would be fairly easy. A lot of technical stuff as well as historical and possibly social/political in assorted places. Plus also possibly information about mineral wealth and the like. As well as the diplomatic staff there's going to be a fair number of other people from various locations in Germany at this point so going to be a lot of people the German government would have to keep track of, even apart from probably some of their own citizens.
Furthermore US Ambassador Houghton could have some issues getting home. Both in terms of getting across the Atlantic then persuading the 1823 government as to his identity and what he's trying to tell them. Still its going to be a lot easier for governments in Europe since evidence of the change will be far easily to come across. However still probably easier than for anyone from further afield. Assuming there are Japanese and Chinese ambassadors in Germany their going to have problems being accepted at home. Ditto with all those countries in Latin American that are only just gaining their independence from Spain.
Which makes me think again - sorry bad habit I have. One obviously factor will be mineral wealth with a lot of people from both centuries interested in where wealth such as gold, silver,, diamonds and the like as well as factors such as coal, oil - although that will only really be of interest to the Germans currently, and possibly others. I think that places like California, Australia and South Africa especially could be of interest to many people. Also there might be interest in ideas like a canal in Suez. There could be a lot of competition for certain locations. The Germans will want to trade to get minerals and chemicals for their running production so this will be a state issue but of course private enterprise will become party to it as firms will be contracted by Government to do what they do best. Government will then have to sort out treaties. Knowledge of minerals wanted etc. like precious ones may make for some international issues - will the US occupy the West Coast? Which of course will lead to a war with Mexico but other such issues will develop. Andrew Jackson? Some other 1823 countries may want to do so too.
Re books the German printers will do well reissueing stuff instead of printing political garbage like Mein Kampf! All those pages of ranting of course won't get written but others will be out there on both fringes of the political spectrum. Basically the flow of information will be difficult to control if Weimar Government tries to do so - and with the Emergency they most probably will but stuff will find a way out.
With the present state of emergency the Weimar Republic will have some form of control with own and foreign peoples but those borders are vast and now include those with Prussian lands in the East and 1823 Saar in the west though the latter will be somewhat controllable except a lot of it being in forested areas. The fate of those crossing the borders might be difficult as they will stick out among the 1823 population. Besides the USA Germany will have an interest in Swedish iron ore - or Belgian if France don't want to let go of A-L. At this time Germany got some 50% of its ore from Sweden - but of course the fields will need development, lots of it I'd expect.
Re USA this is the year of Monroes presidency and his Doctrine (2. December) - Houghton might point to a large industrial nation in Europe, a Republic, that have a huge potential - like exporting the Assembly Line - that could make the wants of Monroe real and not dependant upon the RN! Also perhaps a real Pan-American institution such as Simon Bolivar called for 1826? Of course the europeans will have an easier time as their Ambassadors/envoys will usually come from Aristocracy or Premier circles of society and have lineages to point to.
South Africa is a Dutch Colony and they may want to keep it even more now. Canals indeed.
I don't expect cross-border trade like along the Rhine to restart in an instant. Contact and contracts have to be made with relevant partners.
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Post by stevep on Sept 22, 2024 11:06:18 GMT
The other thing that comes to mind would be the question of information. How much will the Germans seek to control and how much will various ambassadors and other groups seek to get out, either for reasons of loyalty or simply to make a profit. I can see a lot of people seeking to get books out of Germany, especially any which are in their native language although translation of German would be fairly easy. A lot of technical stuff as well as historical and possibly social/political in assorted places. Plus also possibly information about mineral wealth and the like. As well as the diplomatic staff there's going to be a fair number of other people from various locations in Germany at this point so going to be a lot of people the German government would have to keep track of, even apart from probably some of their own citizens.
Furthermore US Ambassador Houghton could have some issues getting home. Both in terms of getting across the Atlantic then persuading the 1823 government as to his identity and what he's trying to tell them. Still its going to be a lot easier for governments in Europe since evidence of the change will be far easily to come across. However still probably easier than for anyone from further afield. Assuming there are Japanese and Chinese ambassadors in Germany their going to have problems being accepted at home. Ditto with all those countries in Latin American that are only just gaining their independence from Spain.
Which makes me think again - sorry bad habit I have. One obviously factor will be mineral wealth with a lot of people from both centuries interested in where wealth such as gold, silver,, diamonds and the like as well as factors such as coal, oil - although that will only really be of interest to the Germans currently, and possibly others. I think that places like California, Australia and South Africa especially could be of interest to many people. Also there might be interest in ideas like a canal in Suez. There could be a lot of competition for certain locations. The Germans will want to trade to get minerals and chemicals for their running production so this will be a state issue but of course private enterprise will become party to it as firms will be contracted by Government to do what they do best. Government will then have to sort out treaties. Knowledge of minerals wanted etc. like precious ones may make for some international issues - will the US occupy the West Coast? Which of course will lead to a war with Mexico but other such issues will develop. Andrew Jackson? Some other 1823 countries may want to do so too.
Re books the German printers will do well reissueing stuff instead of printing political garbage like Mein Kampf! All those pages of ranting of course won't get written but others will be out there on both fringes of the political spectrum. Basically the flow of information will be difficult to control if Weimar Government tries to do so - and with the Emergency they most probably will but stuff will find a way out.
With the present state of emergency the Weimar Republic will have some form of control with own and foreign peoples but those borders are vast and now include those with Prussian lands in the East and 1823 Saar in the west though the latter will be somewhat controllable except a lot of it being in forested areas. The fate of those crossing the borders might be difficult as they will stick out among the 1823 population. Besides the USA Germany will have an interest in Swedish iron ore - or Belgian if France don't want to let go of A-L. At this time Germany got some 50% of its ore from Sweden - but of course the fields will need development, lots of it I'd expect.
Re USA this is the year of Monroes presidency and his Doctrine (2. December) - Houghton might point to a large industrial nation in Europe, a Republic, that have a huge potential - like exporting the Assembly Line - that could make the wants of Monroe real and not dependant upon the RN! Also perhaps a real Pan-American institution such as Simon Bolivar called for 1826? Of course the europeans will have an easier time as their Ambassadors/envoys will usually come from Aristocracy or Premier circles of society and have lineages to point to.
South Africa is a Dutch Colony and they may want to keep it even more now. Canals indeed.
I don't expect cross-border trade like along the Rhine to restart in an instant. Contact and contracts have to be made with relevant partners.
S Africa isn't under Dutch control. Britain occupied it during the Revolutionary wars, returned it after the peace of Amiens, took it again after the Napoleonic wars restarted and was awarded it at the final peace in 1815.
The Boer Great Trek, when Boers moved north outside British control, in part because of a desire to maintain slavery after the British empire banned it didn't start until 1836 and could be pre-empted here with someone else, most likely Britain or Germany seeking to control the valuable mineral rich areas before they can control the region. The Zulu's have started expanding under their king Shaka, ruling 1816-28 so there could be a clash with them as well.
Not sure how willing Monroe would be to agree to any sort of continental institution as that would include a very large number of Catholic Spanish speakers and it would make any further westward expansion politically more expensive as such a move, at least without some sort of agreement would be in direct conflict with that institution. He might also have to re-think his famous declaration as he can't rely on Britain to enforce it - which is effectively what happened. He might still try, with or without some negotiation with the new Germany as its likely that the latter may not be greatly interested in interfering territoriality - although the oil fields of Tejas/Texas could be an attractive option.
Just thought that the position of any Norwegians, Finns, and people from the Baltic's or much of the Balkans in Germany is going to be difficult as well as the aforementioned Italians, Poles, Czechs, Belgians and Greeks as their countries don't exist either in a recognised form.
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