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Post by lordroel on Jul 23, 2016 10:07:01 GMT
I think that was the one I remember at least. Suspect that if that's it at its height its likely to have more colonial land as a unified N America on top of it is going to make it very, very powerful. Gods AH does look different. I had totally forgotten about Thande! Well it is still blame Thande so nothing has changed, but back to topic otherwise a mod here will get angry. I wonder if Dutch is a major Language like English is in OTL. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 23, 2016 10:35:41 GMT
Guys
Well had a brief skim through Chap 5 of the Alternative History and that gave me some of the basic background. A lot of things going well for the UP and Sweden getting tied up in absorbing Russia, or possibly more in the end being absorbed by it. The union with Norway/Denmark adds strengths but also weaknesses and in real life I suspect it wouldn't hold but in a TL.
Anyway, RTW calls.
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Post by eurowatch on Jul 23, 2016 11:06:18 GMT
As long as the Dutch Commonwealth does not build those mega battleships like the British Lion, Germans H-44, Japanese Super Yamatos or American Montana's i am fine with what ever the Dutch build. Battleship strategy is slowly dying out in the Royal Navy as carrier Technology and tactics Progress so they are not all that interested in wasting a lot of money on a Class of ships that is going to be worthless in ten years. There have been some designs and speculation but the carriers Graf Zeppelin and Graf Hindenburg steamrolling dozen Dutch Battleships and battlecruisers during a wargame sank the those ideas pretty throughly. Do the Germans also control Kiautschou Bay as they did in OTL or is the German presence in China bigger. Germany still have all their historical colonies in Asia due to the Dutch backing their claims and both Japan and China respected them enough to let the matter go. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 23, 2016 11:15:41 GMT
Do the Germans also control Kiautschou Bay as they did in OTL or is the German presence in China bigger. Germany still have all their historical colonies in Asia due to the Dutch backing their claims and both Japan and China respected them enough to let the matter go. Well i wonder does the Dutch Commonwealth control Dejima in this universe. |
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Post by eurowatch on Jul 23, 2016 11:27:56 GMT
Germany still have all their historical colonies in Asia due to the Dutch backing their claims and both Japan and China respected them enough to let the matter go. Well i wonder does the Dutch Commonwealth control Dejima in this universe. Not anymore, it was sold to Japan when they began to open up to the West. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 23, 2016 11:33:46 GMT
Well i wonder does the Dutch Commonwealth control Dejima in this universe. Not anymore, it was sold to Japan when they began to open up to the West. To bad, would be a good trading post, but other hand it would not hold out long if there was a war. |
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Post by eurowatch on Jul 31, 2016 23:58:18 GMT
I wonder if Dutch is a major Language like English is in OTL. It is, although depending on where you are it might vary from "mildly accented" all the way to "is this even Dutch at all?". What we would consider proper Dutch isn't spoken much outside the United Provinces and even there there are some wierd dialects. Part III: Equality for All! “Rather red than dead.” Communist slogan.
In Britain the situation was similar to that of France. After years of watching their fellow men being shot down without care for title or fortune, the average man had become thoroughly disillusioned with the class system and began demanding change. The economic crisis only made things worse as thousands took to the street in protest against the elite, who were blamed for everything wrong in Britain. In these conditions Mosley gathered enough followers to commit a coup of the sitting government , planning to create the perfect communistic society. While in theory the army should have immediately stormed the capital to arrest Mosley, most of the soldiers were sympathetic to the communist cause and refused to remove him. Some enterprising soldiers even arrested their officers for “un-communistic behaviour” when they were ordered to reinstate the queen. The ensuing chaos forced most of the royal family to escape to Canada until order had been restored. Only Edward VIII remained, sympathetic to the communist cause and confident that they could be reasoned with. It was a wasted effort. Feeling secure in his new power base, Mosley disbanded the monarchy and replaced it with the Democratic Republic of Britain. Despite being driven from her home, Queen Elizabeth refused to accept Mosley’s posse as the new government and called upon the international community to help. The only response was a public denouncement of the coup and nothing more. Despite there being plans in place for a proposed invasion of England, no actions were taken. There was simply no appetite for a war so close to home. Mosley however, had an appetite for war. Having purged the government and military of anyone deemed to be “non-communistic”, he needed a way to show himself as a strong leader. In his opinion, the best way was to take control of Canada. By doing so, the rest of the colonies would inevitably fall in line with his way of thinking, or so he thought. In May 1936, he declared war on the “Canadian terrorists” The war would be far from as grandiose as people thought, with little happening for months beside the occasional raid and bombing of Canadian ports. Gradually, People began calling the war the “Phoney War”. It was first in September 1936 that the war entered a new phase as the Red Navy trapped and forced a battle with its Canadian counterpart. The victory paved a way for Red marines to land and capture Halifax, opening the country for a more general invasion. By October, almost half a million troops had landed and despite repeated counter-attacks, the Canadian army had failed to do more then slow the Communist invasion down. With the situation grim, Queen Elizabeth had no choice to ask for foreign help. She was met with a lackluster response. Berlin had little interest in conflicts halfway across the world when they were already busy supporting China and pacifying their Middle East colony and Sweden refused to break their isolationist stance. Amsterdam was more willing to listen, but only offered military equipment and volunteers. The last thing they wanted to do was get involved into another conflict when war was threatening in Europe itself. Their hesitation proved disastrous when Louisiana invaded Canada from the South. With most of their forces tied up defending against the Red Army, Louisianian troops met only minimal resistance as they advanced. With New Netherland being the obvious next target should Canada surrender, the Dutch Commonwealth and United States began preparations for a pre-emptive strike. It was hoped that a swift assault on Louisiana's vital areas would be enough to force them to a favourable peace. If not, Allied generals were ready to continue the war until they got the peace they desired. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2016 13:01:08 GMT
I wonder if Dutch is a major Language like English is in OTL. It is, although depending on where you are it might vary from "mildly accented" all the way to "is this even Dutch at all?". What we would consider proper Dutch isn't spoken much outside the United Provinces and even there there are some wierd dialects. Are the Boers in Africa still speaking still Afrikaans as in OTL or is it more understandable Dutch. Does Louisiana consist of French Louisiana and is it a monarchy or republic, also i would think the Royal Navy escape to Canada but then again the Democratic Republic of Britain would not be able to launch their invasion of Canada if the majority of the Royal Navy had not joined Mosley. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 2, 2016 14:45:01 GMT
It is, although depending on where you are it might vary from "mildly accented" all the way to "is this even Dutch at all?". What we would consider proper Dutch isn't spoken much outside the United Provinces and even there there are some wierd dialects. Are the Boers in Africa still speaking still Afrikaans as in OTL or is it more understandable Dutch. Does Louisiana consist of French Louisiana and is it a monarchy or republic, also i would think the Royal Navy escape to Canada but then again the Democratic Republic of Britain would not be able to launch their invasion of Canada if the majority of the Royal Navy had not joined Mosley. Ya mean the fancy-schamcy way those folks up North talk? Here in da Boer States we speak proper, With no such silly Thing as "grammar". Lousiana is a Republic that has grown out of French Lousiana. Some Royal British Navy crews supported the Queen but most did not care one way or the other, the only Thing that mattered for them was that they got proper funding. The Royal Canadian Navy initially consisted of a pair of heavy cruisers, a light carrier and some light cruisers and destroyers. After the defeat the Survivors sought refuge in New Netherlands and are part of the planned ABCD-force. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2016 14:49:18 GMT
Are the Boers in Africa still speaking still Afrikaans as in OTL or is it more understandable Dutch. Does Louisiana consist of French Louisiana and is it a monarchy or republic, also i would think the Royal Navy escape to Canada but then again the Democratic Republic of Britain would not be able to launch their invasion of Canada if the majority of the Royal Navy had not joined Mosley. Ya mean the fancy-schamcy way those folks up North talk? Here in da Boer States we speak proper, With no such silly Thing as "grammar". Lousiana is a Republic that has grown out of French Lousiana. Some Royal British Navy crews supported the Queen but most did not care one way or the other, the only Thing that mattered for them was that they got proper funding. The Royal Canadian Navy initially consisted of a pair of heavy cruisers, a light carrier and some light cruisers and destroyers. After the defeat the Survivors sought refuge in New Netherlands and are part of the planned ABCD-force. Is New Netherlands made up of OTL New York and New Jersey or is it bigger. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 2, 2016 15:35:16 GMT
Ya mean the fancy-schamcy way those folks up North talk? Here in da Boer States we speak proper, With no such silly Thing as "grammar". Lousiana is a Republic that has grown out of French Lousiana. Some Royal British Navy crews supported the Queen but most did not care one way or the other, the only Thing that mattered for them was that they got proper funding. The Royal Canadian Navy initially consisted of a pair of heavy cruisers, a light carrier and some light cruisers and destroyers. After the defeat the Survivors sought refuge in New Netherlands and are part of the planned ABCD-force. Is New Netherlands made up of OTL New York and New Jersey or is it bigger. Here you have a map:  |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2016 15:40:38 GMT
Is New Netherlands made up of OTL New York and New Jersey or is it bigger. Here you have a map: Is this the official map from the book. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 2, 2016 15:58:12 GMT
Here you have a map: Is this the official map from the book. Yes, but instead of being from 2013 like in the book I instead decided to set it in 1922 since this timeline Will change the world quite a bit. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2016 16:03:38 GMT
Is this the official map from the book. Yes, but instead of being from 2013 like in the book I instead decided to set it in 1922 since this timeline Will change the world quite a bit. New Netherlands remaining part of the Dutch Commonwealth and not like in the book in a Referendum joining the United States. Also once created a universe called The world of the New Netherlands, might be fun to read. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 2, 2016 16:11:27 GMT
Yes, but instead of being from 2013 like in the book I instead decided to set it in 1922 since this timeline Will change the world quite a bit. New Netherlands remaining part of the Dutch Commonwealth and not like in the book in a Referendum joining the United States. Also once created a universe called The world of the New Netherlands, might be fun to read. The Kindle Version has the United States not forming at all. Instead, I gathered Maryland, Virginia and the two Carolinas into its own country to reduce the number of different countries to keep track of. |
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