Miles From Our Home: 2018 Canada ISOTed to December 1939

[pyeknu]

Forgot to update here, redrobin65, the FSL is from eastern Québec.

[redrobin65]

 



As you can see, the Allies have crushed two more German field armies, advancing to a line from east of Rostock down to Villach in Austria. Mussolini wants a seat at the table as well. There will be an actual update either today or tomorrow.

[lordroel]

Nov 7, 2019 20:34:13 GMT redrobin65 said:

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As you can see, the Allies have crushed two more German field armies, advancing to a line from east of Rostock down to Villach in Austria. Mussolini wants a seat at the table as well. There will be an actual update either today or tomorrow.

The Battle of Berlin could get ugly here as well as in OTL.

[stevep]

Nov 7, 2019 20:34:13 GMT redrobin65 said:

 



As you can see, the Allies have crushed two more German field armies, advancing to a line from east of Rostock down to Villach in Austria. Mussolini wants a seat at the table as well. There will be an actual update either today or tomorrow.

  Excellent news about the update and looking good for the allies.   In terms of Lordroel's point about Berlin would the allies be tempted to simply encircle it and leave it under siege?  If the Germans have left large forces in the urban area then force them to come out an fight or starve.  I suspect all three armies in the area shown are well below strength and probably fairly weak in morale, especially since they probably now know their sacrificial victims while the regime makes its last stand in east Prussia.

  Assuming that there are advances further south as well in terms of clearing Bavaria and possibly starting to liberate the Czechs?  Although there could be problems with what happens with the pro-facists regime in Slovakia let alone the region the Hungarians grabbed.  I wonder what the leaders in both Budapest and Bucharest are thinking at the moment?    The latter might be thinking they have a chance to regain the bits that Hungary took from them - if that still happened here.  Possibly not.

  Of course as the Nazi empire collapse and allied forces get closer to German occupied Poland the big issue might be what is Stalin going to do?

  Thanks again and looking forward to the update.

[redrobin65]

Massive Victory in Germany (Ottawa Citizen, April 5th)

Churchill met by protestors in Fredericton (CBC New Brunswick, April 5th)

Leaders of Canada, UK, France meet in New Brunswick (CTV, April 5th)

Foreign Affairs Ministry Source says that Trudeau is “very frustrated” with Anglo-French position on colonial issues (The Globe and Mail, April 6th)

Opinion: We need to brace for the post-war recession (Financial Post, April 7th)

Casualties this week by province and region (Toronto Star, April 7th)

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

Soviet troops massing on border with Japanese-occupied Manchuria (The Province, April 10th)

Sharp decline in military recruitment (Winnipeg Free Press, April 10th)

Volunteer as an aid worker (Canadian Red Cross, April 11th)

Navy Frigate leaks fuel off Danish coast (National Post, April 12th)

April 5th-April 11th, 1941

The Allies continued to press forward through Germany, facing resistance that was mostly weak. The German forces were in disarray, with command-and-control outposts being singled out in air attacks, which the Luftwaffe had no hope of stopping. By now, Hitler was becoming desperate. Germany was starting to conscript young boys and old men into a special militia known as the Volkssturm. Though Nazi propaganda played up the Volkssturm as Teutonic heroes who could stop the Jewish-sponsored Allied advance, in reality the militia was barely trained and extremely under armed.

Following the liberation of Denmark and the push through Schleswig-Holstein, a strong Allied fleet entered the Baltic. Various figures in the Royal Navy had dreamed about having their capital ships run wild in the Baltic for decades, but the risks had been deemed to be too high. The Shift changed that. Force B was made up of several British and French capital ships, cruisers, destroyers, and two Canadian frigates. Almost immediately, German coastal shipping was shut down by air attacks and raids by Allied ships. On April 8th, the Kriegsmarine base at Danzig was bombarded by several British and French battleships. Though the Germans no longer had anything cruiser-sized or larger, several destroyers, sloops, and submarines were sunk.


HMS Warspite taking part in the attack on Danzig.

By and large, Force B didn’t face many threats that it could not handle. However, mines remained a problem even though Allied minesweepers had accompanied the fleet. The light cruiser FS La Galissoniere was sunk when the detonation of a magnetic mine triggered additional explosions in its secondary batteries while HMS Neptune faced the same fate near Bornholm Island.

Benito Mussolini had taken the news of Italy’s disastrous participation in the uptime WW2 (and his gas station death parade in particular) very hard. The Allies had warned him what would happen if he invaded Egypt or Greece, and had even discouraged any Italian attacks into Austria. Though additional fronts to distract the Wehrmacht sounded good to the Allies, they did not want to be friends or partners with a country led by a man now seen as opportunistic and untrustworthy.

Despite all of this, Mussolini still sent his men into Austria. He could see which way the wind was blowing and did not want to be denied the chance to get a seat at the peace table as one of the victors. Two Regio Esercito divisions, the 1st Alpini and the 7th Infantry, took the mountain passes and moved northeast. Mussolini proclaimed that he had always been against Hitler and was eager to see him defeated. The Allies saw this for what it was: a power grab. What could they do about it? They did not want to start a war with Italy (who would lose dramatically, but the Allies were busy with Germany). However, steps were taken by the French Fourth Army, which was moving down into Austria, to prevent Italian advances.

On April 9th, the Italian 1st Alpini Division was moving up a road going northeast towards Graz with the 7th Infantry Division right behind them. They had faced zero resistance whatsoever, and were hoping to find an understrength German formation (Mussolini wanted a victory). However, there were no Germans at Graz. Instead, French reconnaissance units from the 62nd Infantry Division were blocking the road to Graz, ostensibly to prevent SS and Heer units from causing mayhem in the area. The commander of the Italian forces didn’t believe the French when they told him this. The largest German formation in Austria, the 304th Infantry Division, was retreating as fast as it could towards Vienna, being pursued by the French XII Corps. Where were these mythical German forces?

While this was going on, Mussolini received the French ambassador in Rome, who had been instructed to tell Il Duce that any more pushes into Austria or attempts to create a puppet state in the country would be looked at unfavourably by Paris, London and Ottawa. The ambassador reminded Mussolini of the disasters that Italian forces had faced in the uptime WW2, and that it would be unwise to provoke conflict with the Allies. Though furious, the dictator relented, and the two Italian divisions in Austria pulled back a few kilometers, never to advance.

Hitler was hysterical at the failure of German forces to stop the Allied advance. From his bunker in Berlin (he had refused to evacuate to East Prussia), he yelled at everyone wearing a military uniform. Why couldn’t they stop the degenerates? Attempts to explain why were met with more yelling. The Gestapo was rounding up those few dissidents who hadn’t already been arrested and threw them into prison (it was no longer safe to travel by rail, so no Polish camps for them).

The Canadians captured Magdeburg on the 9th and moved east, setting their sights on Potsdam and Berlin. The German Twentieth Army surrendered to British forces outside Rostock on the same day while the Third Army disintegrated trying to defend Dresden from French forces, who had also moved into occupied Czechoslovakia. The end was near for the Third Reich.

[lordroel]

Nov 9, 2019 18:08:04 GMT redrobin65 said:

Massive Victory in Germany (Ottawa Citizen, April 5th)

Churchill met by protestors in Fredericton (CBC New Brunswick, April 5th)

Leaders of Canada, UK, France meet in New Brunswick (CTV, April 5th)

Foreign Affairs Ministry Source says that Trudeau is “very frustrated” with Anglo-French position on colonial issues (The Globe and Mail, April 6th)

Opinion: We need to brace for the post-war recession (Financial Post, April 7th)

Casualties this week by province and region (Toronto Star, April 7th)

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

Soviet troops massing on border with Japanese-occupied Manchuria (The Province, April 10th)

Sharp decline in military recruitment (Winnipeg Free Press, April 10th)

Volunteer as an aid worker (Canadian Red Cross, April 11th)

Navy Frigate leaks fuel off Danish coast (National Post, April 12th)

April 5th-April 11th, 1941

The Allies continued to press forward through Germany, facing resistance that was mostly weak. The German forces were in disarray, with command-and-control outposts being singled out in air attacks, which the Luftwaffe had no hope of stopping. By now, Hitler was becoming desperate. Germany was starting to conscript young boys and old men into a special militia known as the Volkssturm. Though Nazi propaganda played up the Volkssturm as Teutonic heroes who could stop the Jewish-sponsored Allied advance, in reality the militia was barely trained and extremely under armed.

Following the liberation of Denmark and the push through Schleswig-Holstein, a strong Allied fleet entered the Baltic. Various figures in the Royal Navy had dreamed about having their capital ships run wild in the Baltic for decades, but the risks had been deemed to be too high. The Shift changed that. Force B was made up of several British and French capital ships, cruisers, destroyers, and two Canadian frigates. Almost immediately, German coastal shipping was shut down by air attacks and raids by Allied ships. On April 8th, the Kriegsmarine base at Danzig was bombarded by several British and French battleships. Though the Germans no longer had anything cruiser-sized or larger, several destroyers, sloops, and submarines were sunk.

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HMS Warspite taking part in the attack on Danzig.

By and large, Force B didn’t face many threats that it could not handle. However, mines remained a problem even though Allied minesweepers had accompanied the fleet. The light cruiser FS La Galissoniere was sunk when the detonation of a magnetic mine triggered additional explosions in its secondary batteries while HMS Neptune faced the same fate near Bornholm Island.

Benito Mussolini had taken the news of Italy’s disastrous participation in the uptime WW2 (and his gas station death parade in particular) very hard. The Allies had warned him what would happen if he invaded Egypt or Greece, and had even discouraged any Italian attacks into Austria. Though additional fronts to distract the Wehrmacht sounded good to the Allies, they did not want to be friends or partners with a country led by a man now seen as opportunistic and untrustworthy.

Despite all of this, Mussolini still sent his men into Austria. He could see which way the wind was blowing and did not want to be denied the chance to get a seat at the peace table as one of the victors. Two Regio Esercito divisions, the 1st Alpini and the 7th Infantry, took the mountain passes and moved northeast. Mussolini proclaimed that he had always been against Hitler and was eager to see him defeated. The Allies saw this for what it was: a power grab. What could they do about it? They did not want to start a war with Italy (who would lose dramatically, but the Allies were busy with Germany). However, steps were taken by the French Fourth Army, which was moving down into Austria, to prevent Italian advances.

On April 9th, the Italian 1st Alpini Division was moving up a road going northeast towards Graz with the 7th Infantry Division right behind them. They had faced zero resistance whatsoever, and were hoping to find an understrength German formation (Mussolini wanted a victory). However, there were no Germans at Graz. Instead, French reconnaissance units from the 62nd Infantry Division were blocking the road to Graz, ostensibly to prevent SS and Heer units from causing mayhem in the area. The commander of the Italian forces didn’t believe the French when they told him this. The largest German formation in Austria, the 304th Infantry Division, was retreating as fast as it could towards Vienna, being pursued by the French XII Corps. Where were these mythical German forces?

While this was going on, Mussolini received the French ambassador in Rome, who had been instructed to tell Il Duce that any more pushes into Austria or attempts to create a puppet state in the country would be looked at unfavourably by Paris, London and Ottawa. The ambassador reminded Mussolini of the disasters that Italian forces had faced in the uptime WW2, and that it would be unwise to provoke conflict with the Allies. Though furious, the dictator relented, and the two Italian divisions in Austria pulled back a few kilometers, never to advance.

Hitler was hysterical at the failure of German forces to stop the Allied advance. From his bunker in Berlin (he had refused to evacuate to East Prussia), he yelled at everyone wearing a military uniform. Why couldn’t they stop the degenerates? Attempts to explain why were met with more yelling. The Gestapo was rounding up those few dissidents who hadn’t already been arrested and threw them into prison (it was no longer safe to travel by rail, so no Polish camps for them).

The Canadians captured Magdeburg on the 9th and moved east, setting their sights on Potsdam and Berlin. The German Third Army surrendered to British forces outside Rostock on the same day while the Third Army disintegrated trying to defend Dresden from French forces, who had also moved into occupied Czechoslovakia. The end was near for the Third Reich.

Great to see a new update redrobin65.

[stevep]

redrobin65 ,

  Good update and it sounds like the Nazi empire is really falling apart.  Two armies basically collapsing so quickly.  You actually have the 3rd army surrendering twice but from the map the 1st occurrence is actually the 20th army.

  A bit surprised that Hitler is staying in Berlin given that the plan seemed to be for a last stand in east Prussia.  Which might just lead to them fighting more than elsewhere unfortunately.  Hopefully not especially given that from the press reports some concern is already being raised about the Canadian losses, which are likely to rise fairly rapidly if there is stubborn defence of Berlin.

  Like the handling of Mussolini's intervention.  Not sure what the allies are going to do after the war with him, especially concerning his colonial empire.  Mind you it sounds like there is already tension about the attitude of Britain and France.  Especially worried that Churchill is going to be really stupid about India and try and hold onto it.   There is a basis for keeping other areas at the moment as none are really ready for independence yet but there is likely to be a lot of reluctance among the Tories especially in terms of preparing colonies for independence, especially those places currently dominated by white settler minorities.  Mind you Canada probably has a useful tool in terms of the access [or not] to 2018 technology if the colonial powers get difficult on this.

  Sounds like Stalin is going east, which could present some unpleasant choices for the allies.  The Japanese regime is pretty much as repulsive as the Nazis but they won't particularly want Soviet Russia to get too strong.  Mind you since we're talking about the Russians here deception has often been part of their military plans so they could actually be intending to strike somewhere else.

  Steve

 

[lordroel]

Nov 9, 2019 18:08:04 GMT redrobin65 said:

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65.

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

[stevep]

Nov 11, 2019 16:29:53 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 9, 2019 18:08:04 GMT redrobin65 said:

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65 .

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

  I was thinking they would call it WWII like everybody else.  Then I thought that will mean something different to them, especially their older citizens plus with no war in the Pacific [yet] or US or large scale Soviet involvement [again yet] and Nazi Germany being defeated pretty damned quickly WWII might not even fit that well with the down-time allies. 

  Normally there are more WIA than KIA although of course the saving grace is that they will be returning home and many will make a full recovery.

[lordroel]

Nov 11, 2019 19:30:10 GMT stevep said:

  Normally there are more WIA than KIA although of course the saving grace is that they will be returning home and many will make a full recovery.

Even with a modern force like 2018 Canada, but then again, if they have manged to suffer almost 2,000 killed in action ore otherwise killed, the wounded might be around 5,000 to 10,000.

In Afghanistan the Canadian suffered 159 deaths and over 2,000 wounded, thus i think the number of wounded is around what i say ore even higher, but that is for redrobin65, to confirm.

[Zyobot]

Nov 11, 2019 16:29:53 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 9, 2019 18:08:04 GMT redrobin65 said:

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65 .

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

About the Hamilton Spectator's '2,000 dead' opinion piece, doesn't pretty much everyone--or at least, sane Allied member--basically agree with this idea? I'm not sure what makes this article's author's particular point of view so unique compared to that of most people.

[redrobin65]

Nov 11, 2019 22:39:21 GMT Zyobot said:

Nov 11, 2019 16:29:53 GMT lordroel said:

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65 .

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

About the Hamilton Spectator's '2,000 dead' opinion piece, doesn't pretty much everyone--or at least, sane Allied member--basically agree with this idea? I'm not sure what makes this article's author's particular point of view so unique compared to that of most people.

Ending the war isn't really a unique opinion per se. I was trying to present it as maybe someone advocating an immidiate withdrawal from Germany/a settlement with Hitler rather than a fight to the finish.

[redrobin65]

Nov 11, 2019 16:29:53 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 9, 2019 18:08:04 GMT redrobin65 said:

Opinion: 2,000 dead. It’s time to end the war. (The Hamilton Spectator, April 8th)

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65.

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

Those are the deaths for now, but more will come.

People will still call it WW2, but the Second Great War will be a popular name.

[Zyobot]

Nov 12, 2019 3:03:02 GMT redrobin65 said:

Nov 11, 2019 22:39:21 GMT Zyobot said:

About the Hamilton Spectator's '2,000 dead' opinion piece, doesn't pretty much everyone--or at least, sane Allied member--basically agree with this idea? I'm not sure what makes this article's author's particular point of view so unique compared to that of most people.

Ending the war isn't really a unique opinion per se. I was trying to present it as maybe someone advocating an immidiate withdrawal from Germany/a settlement with Hitler rather than a fight to the finish.

Ah; I see. Well, considering that this is Der Fuhrer and the Third Reich that Canada’s crushing, I bet that they’ll be in the minority when it comes to public opinion (though I get the impression that as a less militaristic nation than America, Canada would be less desensitized to these high death tolls). Plus, Hitler strikes me as too deranged and delusional for the Great White North to properly negotiate with—let alone keep any promises he makes to withdraw from his war of aggression or stop exterminating “undesirables” or whatever else.

Moreover, wouldn’t trying to sit down and work out joint solutions with the madman only further legitimize him in the eyes of already-on-the-edge Neo-Nazis and other racist/fascistic folks who’ve come along for the ride? Call me crazy, but I don’t think we need that specific crowd emboldened any more than they already are at the moment.

[lordroel]

Nov 12, 2019 3:04:26 GMT redrobin65 said:

Nov 11, 2019 16:29:53 GMT lordroel said:

So that is the number of Canadian deaths suffers in what is it called, the Great European War ore do you not have a name for it yet redrobin65.

I can assume the WIA count is a lot higher than 2,000 ore am i wrong.

Those are the deaths for now, but more will come.

Lets hope Canada can endure the loss of those who pay the ultimate price.