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Post by Zyobot on Aug 14, 2018 16:54:31 GMT
For three blood-drenched years, the Clone Wars drowned the Galaxy in fire. Raising a millions-strong Clone Army and shoehorning the Jedi as their generals, the decaying Galactic Republic moved to combat the threat posed by their new opposition. The Separatist Alliance--headed by former Jedi-turned-nobleman Count Dooku, financed by big capital and business oligarchs, and backed by their oversized Droid Armies--led thousands of star systems into secession. But few knew that the conflict was but the machinations of the Sith Lord and eventual Galactic Emperor, Sheev Palpatine, who played both sides. He led the Republic as their beloved Supreme Chancellor, while guiding the Separatists as in secret Darth Sidious.
In 19 BBY, his decades of orchestration finally paid off: The Republic was declared an Empire, Order 66 desolated the Jedi throughout the Galaxy, and Anakin Skywalker--the prophesied Chosen One--was rechristened as the Sith apprentice, Darth Vader. With the near-total deactivation of the Droid Armies, it seemed as if Palpatine had finally gotten what he wanted.
But therein lies an alternate galactic history. What if in that fateful Mission to Mustafar, Darth Vader's shutdown command was ignored--and the Separatist Droid Army kept on fighting?
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Post by spanishspy on Aug 14, 2018 20:47:40 GMT
There's an episode in Rebels with a tactical droid who refused to obey the shutdown order. Even with the loss of the leadership the tactical droids, and the sentient beings that command the Separatist Army as well as the corporations that back it may well continue. I can see a few more years of the Clone Wars raging on.
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 14, 2018 21:50:33 GMT
There's an episode in Rebels with a tactical droid who refused to obey the shutdown order. Even with the loss of the leadership the tactical droids, and the sentient beings that command the Separatist Army as well as the corporations that back it may well continue. I can see a few more years of the Clone Wars raging on. Yeah, I’ve seen that episode. We finally got to see the Separatist Holdouts in Canon. The death of their leadership is a striking blow to the CIS, no doubt. However, I wonder if they can capitalize on the situation. The birth of the Empire means the death of the Republic, and the fact that Palpatine can just make it into a dictatorship proves the Separatists’ point, in some ways. I see a large number of systems joining the Confederacy because of this, especially since the Clones are likely preoccupied with exterminating the Jedi at this point. For the remaining businesses and their leadership, I think that they’ll keep backing the CIS. Once word reaches that the Separatist Council was slaughtered on Mustafar, they’ll come to the conclusion that should the New Order capture them, they’ll be next. I’ve seen Legends statistics state that the Droid Armies numbered in the quintillions, but I don’t know the full scope of it. Can we reasonably calculate the military strength, economy, population, territory, etc. of the Confederacy as well as the (much smaller than OTL) semi-Galactic Empire? |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 3:12:45 GMT
For three blood-drenched years, the Clone Wars drowned the Galaxy in fire. Raising a millions-strong Clone Army and shoehorning the Jedi as their generals, the decaying Galactic Republic moved to combat the threat posed by their new opposition. The Separatist Alliance--headed by former Jedi-turned-nobleman Count Dooku, financed by big capital and business oligarchs, and backed by their oversized Droid Armies--led thousands of star systems into secession. But few knew that the conflict was but the machinations of the Sith Lord and eventual Galactic Emperor, Sheev Palpatine, who played both sides. He led the Republic as their beloved Supreme Chancellor, while guiding the Separatists as in secret Darth Sidious. In 19 BBY, his decades of orchestration finally paid off: The Republic was declared an Empire, Order 66 desolated the Jedi throughout the Galaxy, and Anakin Skywalker--the prophesied Chosen One--was rechristened as the Sith apprentice, Darth Vader. With the near-total deactivation of the Droid Armies, it seemed as if Palpatine had finally gotten what he wanted. But therein lies an alternate galactic history. What if in that fateful Mission to Mustafar, Darth Vader's shutdown command was ignored--and the Separatist Droid Army kept on fighting? Could it help the emperor if the Separatist Droid Army keeps fighting. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 15, 2018 3:22:31 GMT
Could it help the emperor if the Separatist Droid Army keeps fighting. Perhaps it'll help him cement his power over the Empire. However, the CIS still presents a critical challenge for the New Order. The Separatists retain supersized Droid Armies and a presumeably large industrial base, though I don't know the specifics outside of the Legends continuity. And again, Palpatine's seizure of power proves they were right about the decaying Republic. So I wonder how many minds--and allegiances--will change here. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 3:40:34 GMT
Could it help the emperor if the Separatist Droid Army keeps fighting. Perhaps it'll help him cement his power over the Empire. However, the CIS still presents a critical challenge for the New Order. The Separatists retain supersized Droid Armies and a presumeably large industrial base, though I don't know the specifics outside of the Legends continuity. And again, Palpatine's seizure of power proves they were right about the decaying Republic. So I wonder how many minds--and allegiances--will change here. Wonder if any surviving Jedi will join the Droid Army in their fight to end the Empire. It seems that Star Wars Reveals More Jedi Survivors of Order 66 |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 15, 2018 3:58:51 GMT
Perhaps it'll help him cement his power over the Empire. However, the CIS still presents a critical challenge for the New Order. The Separatists retain supersized Droid Armies and a presumeably large industrial base, though I don't know the specifics outside of the Legends continuity. And again, Palpatine's seizure of power proves they were right about the decaying Republic. So I wonder how many minds--and allegiances--will change here. Wonder if any surviving Jedi will join the Droid Army in their fight to end the Empire. It seems that Star Wars Reveals More Jedi Survivors of Order 66That sounds like the pragmatic and realistic solution (although I personally dislike it, but whatever). But then there's convincing surviving Jedi to join them. Some undoubtedly will, but others may need more persuasion despite the fact that they have no choice. Until just now, they've been accustomed to fighting battle droids for three, blood-drenched years across the Galaxy. I don't expect all of them to accept CIS offers overnight. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 4:41:54 GMT
That sounds like the pragmatic and realistic solution (although I personally dislike it, but whatever). But then there's convincing surviving Jedi to join them. Some undoubtedly will, but others may need more persuasion despite the fact that they have no choice. Until just now, they've been accustomed to fighting battle droids for three, blood-drenched years across the Galaxy. I don't expect all of them to accept CIS offers overnight. , that is a good argument where I did not tought of. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 15, 2018 12:51:43 GMT
That sounds like the pragmatic and realistic solution (although I personally dislike it, but whatever). But then there's convincing surviving Jedi to join them. Some undoubtedly will, but others may need more persuasion despite the fact that they have no choice. Until just now, they've been accustomed to fighting battle droids for three, blood-drenched years across the Galaxy. I don't expect all of them to accept CIS offers overnight. , that is a good argument where I did not tought of. Yeah, I'm inclined to say that Obi-Wan would stay on Tatooine, keep living as a hermit and watch over little Luke. He'll try and keep up with Galactic events, but I disagree about him joining the Separatists right off the bat. I predict a similar case with Yoda on Dagobah. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 14:13:41 GMT
Zyobot, that is a good argument where I did not tought of. Yeah, I'm inclined to say that Obi-Wan would stay on Tatooine, keep living as a hermit and watch over little Luke. He'll try and keep up with Galactic events, but I disagree about him joining the Separatists right off the bat. I predict a similar case with Yoda on Dagobah. How would this effect the rebellion with the Clone Wars ore whatever it will be named when the emperor comes to power. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 15, 2018 14:47:45 GMT
Yeah, I'm inclined to say that Obi-Wan would stay on Tatooine, keep living as a hermit and watch over little Luke. He'll try and keep up with Galactic events, but I disagree about him joining the Separatists right off the bat. I predict a similar case with Yoda on Dagobah. How would this effect the rebellion with the Clone Wars ore whatever it will be named when the emperor comes to power. I see one of two main possibilities: 1. The CIS spearheads the Rebelllion ITTL. They've been doing it for three years at this point, and are the only power comparable to the Empire. 2. The Rebellion is a separate entity. While likely preferable to the Empire, the CIS is beholden to crony capitalists and big business. The Rebels won't approve of the sheer money & politics collusion there. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 14:50:13 GMT
How would this effect the rebellion with the Clone Wars ore whatever it will be named when the emperor comes to power. I see one of two main possibilities: 1. The CIS spearheads the Rebelllion ITTL. They've been doing it for three years at this point, and are the only power comparable to the Empire. 2. The Rebellion is a separate entity. While likely preferable to the Empire, the CIS is beholden to crony capitalists and big business. The Rebels won't approve of the sheer money & politics collusion there. 1: would the CIS need not to be a little bit more democratic,, those who run it only look after thier own gains and nothing more. 2: think you are right, but could both the Rebellion and the CIS can work together, ore is that impossible. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 15, 2018 14:57:54 GMT
I see one of two main possibilities: 1. The CIS spearheads the Rebelllion ITTL. They've been doing it for three years at this point, and are the only power comparable to the Empire. 2. The Rebellion is a separate entity. While likely preferable to the Empire, the CIS is beholden to crony capitalists and big business. The Rebels won't approve of the sheer money & politics collusion there. 1: would the CIS need not to be a little bit more democratic,, those who run it only look after thier own gains and nothing more. 2: think you are right, but could both the Rebellion and the CIS can work together, ore is that impossible. I think you might get a similar situation where the two are willing to work together on some Things but are ready to throw each other under the bus at first opportunity. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 15, 2018 16:38:42 GMT
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 15, 2018 18:34:21 GMT
I have. I do wish that they wrote more, like several times the amount that they uploaded. Take away the images that make up more than half of the post height-wise, and you're left with several paragraphs of op-ed to describe the continuation of a Galaxy-sized war--one that'll inevitably yield a much different future than what we see in the Original, and by extension Sequel Trilogy.
The article lacks specificity, details and sources/references to back them up if they were there. They don't give calculations or estimates beyond the Droid Armies vastly outnumbering the Clones; break down the economies, populations, territories, etc. of the Empire & Confederacy; or write about the smaller, sometimes non-grand scale things that would come out of this (i.e. new droid models, who takes over the Separatist Council, etc.).
And that comes before their strongly disagreeable conclusion of the Confederates joining the Empire, assuming that they achieve victory in the end. The constituents of the CIS sacrificed herculean blood and treasure for three, blood-drenched years in hopes of gaining their desired independence; it'd be political suicide to have them merge with their sworn enemies, let alone give them any say over how Separatist citizens go about things. While I can see why the Imperial Senate would work out a mutual agreement due to exhaustion brought on by war and the constraints of invading and occupying an entire Galaxy, it's mainly them that will come to their senses. Old Emperor Sheev, backed up by his control over the new Imperial Military, probably won't permit negotiations since his ego and lust for power disallow it.
So no, I gainsay the position laid out in What If the Droid Shutdown Order Was Never Given At The End Of Revenge Of The Sith.
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