Star Wars WI: Separatist Alliance ISOT to the Original Trilogy

[mullauna]

What Palpy knows about the CIS was when it was his puppet. It's no longer his puppet.

[Zyobot]

Mar 26, 2019 8:54:50 GMT mullauna said:

What Palpy knows about the CIS was when it was his puppet. It's no longer his puppet.

True. In the short term, however, he has extensive and invaluable information about the CIS that could at least be used to give the Empire an initial advantage. And that discounts technological advancements that have occurred in the last 19 years, the elephant in that room being the newly completed Death Star. Somehow, I also imagine quite the clash between General Grievous and Grand Moff Tarkin--two of the most ruthless and uncompromising military leaders in the Star Wars universe who'd unleash hell upon those caught in the crossfire.

[lordroel]

Mar 26, 2019 13:09:46 GMT Zyobot said:

Mar 26, 2019 8:54:50 GMT mullauna said:

What Palpy knows about the CIS was when it was his puppet. It's no longer his puppet.

True. In the short term, however, he has extensive and invaluable information about the CIS that could at least be used to give the Empire an initial advantage. And that discounts technological advancements that have occurred in the last 19 years, the elephant in that room being the newly completed Death Star. Somehow, I also imagine quite the clash between General Grievous and Grand Moff Tarkin--two of the most ruthless and uncompromising military leaders in the Star Wars universe who'd unleash hell upon those caught in the crossfire.

Was he not the power in the shadows who created the CIS for his own goal.

[Zyobot]

Apr 5, 2019 22:20:55 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:09:46 GMT Zyobot said:

True. In the short term, however, he has extensive and invaluable information about the CIS that could at least be used to give the Empire an initial advantage. And that discounts technological advancements that have occurred in the last 19 years, the elephant in that room being the newly completed Death Star. Somehow, I also imagine quite the clash between General Grievous and Grand Moff Tarkin--two of the most ruthless and uncompromising military leaders in the Star Wars universe who'd unleash hell upon those caught in the crossfire.

Was he not the power in the shadows who created the CIS for his own goal.

You're right, he was. And the resulting intimate knowledge of the CIS--and especially its capabilities--could make a decisive difference in the initial phase of the oncoming Separatist-Imperial Wars. What he'd precisely do with that information at his disposal, however, I don't know.

For any Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines, now's the time to give your two cents.

[lordroel]

Apr 5, 2019 22:27:00 GMT Zyobot said:

For any Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines, now's the time to give your two cents.

Doubt there are many Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines at this moment.

[Zyobot]

Apr 5, 2019 22:28:14 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 5, 2019 22:27:00 GMT Zyobot said:

For any Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines, now's the time to give your two cents.

Doubt there are many Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines at this moment.

Damn it. Well, I suppose we could discuss the state of the Empire now that large swaths of its territory have been replaced by an ISOTed Confederacy of Independent Systems. Economic turmoil is a givrn, and likely the loss of a massive chunk of Imperial military assets. Perhaps the technologically behind and historical knowledge bereft Separatist could stand to benefit from this, at least in the short run?

[lordroel]

Apr 5, 2019 23:32:59 GMT Zyobot said:

Apr 5, 2019 22:28:14 GMT lordroel said:

Doubt there are many Star Wars gurus on Alternate Timelines at this moment.

Damn it. Well, I suppose we could discuss the state of the Empire now that large swaths of its territory have been replaced by an ISOTed Confederacy of Independent Systems. Economic turmoil is a givrn, and likely the loss of a massive chunk of Imperial military assets. Perhaps the technologically behind and historical knowledge bereft Separatist could stand to benefit from this, at least in the short run?

Is the Separatist Alliance ISOT before the Deathstar is completed.

[stevep]

   Not being an expert but are we sure that the CIS doesn't include where the Death Star is completed or somewhere where vital components come from as either could screw up or at least delay its completion?

[lordroel]

Apr 6, 2019 10:28:21 GMT stevep said:

   Not being an expert but are we sure that the CIS doesn't include where the Death Star is completed or somewhere where vital components come from as either could screw up or at least delay its completion?

According to Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki, it was build at the Maw Installation which is located in the Maw Cluster and i do not see any signs it was part of the now ISOT CIS.

[stevep]

Apr 6, 2019 10:34:07 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 6, 2019 10:28:21 GMT stevep said:

   Not being an expert but are we sure that the CIS doesn't include where the Death Star is completed or somewhere where vital components come from as either could screw up or at least delay its completion?

According to Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki, it was build at the Maw Installation which is located in the Maw Cluster and i do not see any signs it was part of the now ISOT CIS.

  OK.  Pity about that as its really a major threat to both the rebels and the CIS.

[Zyobot]

Apr 6, 2019 10:46:45 GMT stevep said:

Apr 6, 2019 10:34:07 GMT lordroel said:

According to Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki, it was build at the Maw Installation which is located in the Maw Cluster and i do not see any signs it was part of the now ISOT CIS.

  OK.  Pity about that as its really a major threat to both the rebels and the CIS.

At this point in the Original Trilogy, the Death Star is probably above Alderaan. Since it was a Republic member world during the Clone Wars, that leaves it un-displaced by the ISOT. For that reason, the Empire still has access to the (first iteration of their) "Ultimate Weapon".

And I'm sure that a certain Grand Moff will have few to no qualms about using it on a resurgent CIS.

[lordroel]

Apr 6, 2019 14:17:44 GMT Zyobot said:

Apr 6, 2019 10:46:45 GMT stevep said:

  OK.  Pity about that as its really a major threat to both the rebels and the CIS.

At this point in the Original Trilogy, the Death Star is probably above Alderaan. Since it was a Republic member world during the Clone Wars, that leaves it un-displaced by the ISOT. For that reason, the Empire still has access to the (first iteration of their) "Ultimate Weapon".

And I'm sure that a certain Grand Moff will have few to no qualms about using it on a resurgent CIS.

I i remember correctly from a scene in Episode II, that the CIS had the plans for a design of the Deathstar.

[Zyobot]

Apr 6, 2019 14:23:38 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 6, 2019 14:17:44 GMT Zyobot said:

At this point in the Original Trilogy, the Death Star is probably above Alderaan. Since it was a Republic member world during the Clone Wars, that leaves it un-displaced by the ISOT. For that reason, the Empire still has access to the (first iteration of their) "Ultimate Weapon".

And I'm sure that a certain Grand Moff will have few to no qualms about using it on a resurgent CIS.

I i remember correctly from a scene in Episode II, that the CIS had the plans for a design of the Deathstar.

Yes, the schematics were indeed something that Dooku and likely the other CIS higher-ups were aware of. While by all means a better insight into the Imperials' Death Star than nothing at all, the design probably went through many revisions and was modified along the way to the point where the plans that the Separatist leadership might have access to paints an incomplete, and often plain flawed picture.

And the prospect of them building one of their own would necessitate a) time that the Confederacy doesn't have and b) a colossal share of their industrial capacity. Moreover, it'd all go to waste if their station's thermal exhaust port were exploited, though they might of course do their best to mitigate that.

[lordroel]

Apr 6, 2019 18:48:22 GMT Zyobot said:

Apr 6, 2019 14:23:38 GMT lordroel said:

I i remember correctly from a scene in Episode II, that the CIS had the plans for a design of the Deathstar.

Yes, the schematics were indeed something that Dooku and likely the other CIS higher-ups were aware of. While by all means a better insight into the Imperials' Death Star than nothing at all, the design probably went through many revisions and was modified along the way to the point where the plans that the Separatist leadership might have access to paints an incomplete, and often plain flawed picture.

And the prospect of them building one of their own would necessitate a) time that the Confederacy doesn't have and b) a colossal share of their industrial capacity. Moreover, it'd all go to waste if their station's thermal exhaust port were exploited, though they might of course do their best to mitigate that.

So is Count Dooko going to be loyal to the CIS when he discovers that the emperor has a new apprentice.

[Zyobot]

Apr 6, 2019 19:59:52 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 6, 2019 18:48:22 GMT Zyobot said:

Yes, the schematics were indeed something that Dooku and likely the other CIS higher-ups were aware of. While by all means a better insight into the Imperials' Death Star than nothing at all, the design probably went through many revisions and was modified along the way to the point where the plans that the Separatist leadership might have access to paints an incomplete, and often plain flawed picture.

And the prospect of them building one of their own would necessitate a) time that the Confederacy doesn't have and b) a colossal share of their industrial capacity. Moreover, it'd all go to waste if their station's thermal exhaust port were exploited, though they might of course do their best to mitigate that.

So is Count Dooko going to be loyal to the CIS when he discovers that the emperor has a new apprentice.

Oh, I'm sure he'd stick with the CIS. According to the Rule of Two, the fact that Sidious--now Galactic Emperor (!)--has since acquired a new Sith apprentice likely means that the previous Dooku perished. And the good Count would probably infer that chances are it was no accident.