Star Wars WI: Separatist Alliance ISOT to the Original Trilogy

[Zyobot]

Despite the real decay and discontent that had been fermenting for some time before he had come along to manipulate things, the galaxy-spanning Clone Wars was the work of a mysterious Sith Lord who played both sides—the democratic, centuries-old Galactic Republic one one hand, and the corporatocratic Confederacy of Independent Systems (acronymed as the CIS and also called the Separatist Alliance) on the other—to facilitate his ascension to ultimate power.

The latter’s sprawling Droid Armies, big-business financial backers, and citizens’ commitment towards the Separatist Cause served the Dark Lord well, but the Chosen One’s fall of from grace laid the groundwork for its swift dissolution. With the loss of its critical leadership and the mass shutdown of its Droid Armies on Mustafar, the Confederacy—and any hopes its people had of fighting for a fair and just government—were snuffed out by the newly-formed Galactic Empire that would oppress the galaxy for two more decades to come.

But the Force, in its infinite wisdom, decides that the Confederates didn’t have their fair shake at righting the Republic’s wrongs. Furthermore, it wants a genuine fight for freedom to take place, especially against a government that is tyrannical and iron-fisted without question. So it comes up with an idea and alters the timeline accordingly: what if the 19 BBY-era Separatist Alliance—with Count Dooku, General Grievous and the Separatist Council coming along for the ride as well—were ISOTed nineteen years forward in time to the beginning of Episode IV: A New Hope?

Thank you in advance,
Zyobot

[lordroel]

Jan 12, 2019 15:37:42 GMT Zyobot said:

Despite the real decay and discontent that had been fermenting for some time before he had come along to manipulate things, the galaxy-spanning Clone Wars was the work of a mysterious Sith Lord who played both sides—the democratic, centuries-old Galactic Republic one one hand, and the corporatocratic Confederacy of Independent Systems (acronymed as the CIS and also called the Separatist Alliance) on the other—to facilitate his ascension to ultimate power.

The latter’s sprawling Droid Armies, big-business financial backers, and citizens’ commitment towards the Separatist Cause served the Dark Lord well, but the Chosen One’s fall of from grace laid the groundwork for its swift dissolution. With the loss of its critical leadership and the mass shutdown of its Droid Armies on Mustafar, the Confederacy—and any hopes its people had of fighting for a fair and just government—were snuffed out by the newly-formed Galactic Empire that would oppress the galaxy for two more decades to come.

But the Force, in its infinite wisdom, decides that the Confederates didn’t have their fair shake at righting the Republic’s wrongs. Furthermore, it wants a genuine fight for freedom to take place, especially against a government that is tyrannical and iron-fisted without question. So it comes up with an idea and alters the timeline accordingly: what if the 19 BBY-era Separatist Alliance—with Count Dooku, General Grievous and the Separatist Council coming along for the ride as well—were ISOTed nineteen years forward in time to the beginning of Episode IV: A New Hope?

Thank you in advance,
Zyobot

So it is going to be a triple Galactic Civil War then.

[Zyobot]

Jan 12, 2019 15:43:40 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 12, 2019 15:37:42 GMT Zyobot said:

Despite the real decay and discontent that had been fermenting for some time before he had come along to manipulate things, the galaxy-spanning Clone Wars was the work of a mysterious Sith Lord who played both sides—the democratic, centuries-old Galactic Republic one one hand, and the corporatocratic Confederacy of Independent Systems (acronymed as the CIS and also called the Separatist Alliance) on the other—to facilitate his ascension to ultimate power.

The latter’s sprawling Droid Armies, big-business financial backers, and citizens’ commitment towards the Separatist Cause served the Dark Lord well, but the Chosen One’s fall of from grace laid the groundwork for its swift dissolution. With the loss of its critical leadership and the mass shutdown of its Droid Armies on Mustafar, the Confederacy—and any hopes its people had of fighting for a fair and just government—were snuffed out by the newly-formed Galactic Empire that would oppress the galaxy for two more decades to come.

But the Force, in its infinite wisdom, decides that the Confederates didn’t have their fair shake at righting the Republic’s wrongs. Furthermore, it wants a genuine fight for freedom to take place, especially against a government that is tyrannical and iron-fisted without question. So it comes up with an idea and alters the timeline accordingly: what if the 19 BBY-era Separatist Alliance—with Count Dooku, General Grievous and the Separatist Council coming along for the ride as well—were ISOTed nineteen years forward in time to the beginning of Episode IV: A New Hope?

Thank you in advance,
Zyobot

So it is going to be a triple Galactic Civil War then.

Another war is inevitable, but I'm unsure whether the CIS and Rebels would be at odds to the point of actually fighting one another (though they still wouldn't see eye-to-eye, mind you).

Once the Separatists get their bearings together and realize what just happened, Dooku definitely won't subordinate himself to his former master, now the supremely tyrannical Galactic Emperor who has since replaced him with a new apprentice (I can already imagine how a confrontation between Vader and either the Count or Grievous would play out). Seeing the iron-fisted empire that Sidious has created and that their previous selves must've..."disappeared" in order to make it all happen--not to mention knowing how horrified the Confederate people would be to learn that this time period's reigning government makes the hated Republic look positively benevolent--the Separatist leadership will have no choice but to oppose the Empire. That, of course, will trigger another galaxy-wide war.

Though Dooku & Company no longer answer to Sidious (because they're at war with him now) and thus have the freedom to govern the Confederacy on their own (i.e. building more and more droids without being held back by some higher authority), the Confederacy's also two decades behind in terms of technology and up-to-speediness with the era they now find themselves in. However, if they get their hands on uptimer technology, successfully reverse-engineer it and begin mass-production fast enough to sustain another war effort, the Separatists might just have a shot at survival for the time being.

But then there's also the Death Star, which the Empire can use to wipe out whole planets in one blast. How will the newly-arrived CIS respond to this potentially catastrophic development? Even if they deign to build other Death Star equivalents themselves, they'll take years and a colossal share of Separatist industry to complete before they're ready for serious action. Perhaps they'll rely on the Rebels to destroy the battle-station like IOTL--maybe even send a fleet or two to help them do it.

[lordroel]

Jan 12, 2019 17:18:05 GMT Zyobot said:

Jan 12, 2019 15:43:40 GMT lordroel said:

So it is going to be a triple Galactic Civil War then.

Another war is inevitable, but I'm unsure whether the CIS and Rebels would be at odds to the point of actually fighting one another (though they still wouldn't see eye-to-eye, mind you).

Once the Separatists get their bearings together and realize what just happened, Dooku definitely won't subordinate himself to his former master, now the supremely tyrannical Galactic Emperor who has since replaced him with a new apprentice (I can already imagine how a confrontation between Vader and either the Count or Grievous would play out). Seeing the iron-fisted empire that Sidious has created and that their previous selves must've..."disappeared" in order to make it all happen--not to mention knowing how horrified the Confederate people would be to learn that this time period's reigning government makes the hated Republic look positively benevolent--the Separatist leadership will have no choice but to oppose the Empire. That, of course, will trigger another galaxy-wide war.

Though Dooku & Company no longer answer to Sidious (because they're at war with him now) and thus have the freedom to govern the Confederacy on their own (i.e. building more and more droids without being held back by some higher authority), the Confederacy's also two decades behind in terms of technology and up-to-speediness with the era they now find themselves in. However, if they get their hands on uptimer technology, successfully reverse-engineer it and begin mass-production fast enough to sustain another war effort, the Separatists might just have a shot at survival for the time being.

But then there's also the Death Star, which the Empire can use to wipe out whole planets in one blast. How will the newly-arrived CIS respond to this potentially catastrophic development? Even if they deign to build other Death Star equivalents themselves, they'll take years and a colossal share of Separatist industry to complete before they're ready for serious action. Perhaps they'll rely on the Rebels to destroy the battle-station like IOTL--maybe even send a fleet or two to help them do it.

I agree, the Rebel Alliance would never work with the Confederacy of Independent Systems even if they could win the Civil War with it as i think many of the higher ranks in the Rebel Alliance know how the CIS is.

[mullauna]

had the Jedi only been *defeated* in ROTS and not destroyed, I could see them making an alliance with the CIS against the cyborg and that walking corpse he calls master.

[Zyobot]

I found a map from Wookiepedia that depicts the CIS’s Outer Rim holdings at about the time they would’ve been ISOTed from (granted, this is from Legends and thus may not be canon anymore):


However, I can’t find a comprehensive map of Imperial territory as of ~4 ABY. Though I know that the Empire inherited defunct Separatist assets IOTL and expanded further into the rest of the Galaxy since then, I think it’s safe to say that they’d lose a great deal of acquired worlds and systems in the ISOT (because the Confederacy just showed up in their place).

Perhaps someone else could post a much more detailed and informative breakdown than I—or at least add to what’s already been said in this thread?

[lordroel]

Jan 14, 2019 1:13:03 GMT Zyobot said:

I found a map from Wookiepedia that depicts the CIS’s Outer Rim holdings at about the time they would’ve been ISOTed from (granted, this is from Legends and thus may not be canon anymore):


However, I can’t find a comprehensive map of Imperial territory as of ~4 ABY. Though I know that the Empire inherited defunct Separatist assets IOTL and expanded further into the rest of the Galaxy since then, I think it’s safe to say that they’d lose a great deal of acquired worlds and systems in the ISOT (because the Confederacy just showed up in their place).

Perhaps someone else could post a much more detailed and informative breakdown than I—or at least add to what’s already been said in this thread?

Nice map, but a little bit to small, so here is a bigger version of it:



Also a second map i found of the Clone Wars:

[Zyobot]

Forgive me for not bringing more information to the table, but I'm thinking of writing a TL about this very scenario some day. Perhaps I'll title it "The Separatist-Imperial Wars" or something to that affect.

Yes, yes, I'm aware that I have to pick up the slack on A Galaxy Divergent first.

[lordroel]

Jan 20, 2019 4:47:54 GMT Zyobot said:

Forgive me for not bringing more information to the table, but I'm thinking of writing a TL about this very scenario some day. Perhaps I'll title it "The Separatist-Imperial Wars" or something to that affect.

Yes, yes, I'm aware that I have to pick up the slack on A Galaxy Divergent first.

Would it not bee called the CIS-Imperial War.

[Zyobot]

Jan 20, 2019 7:58:07 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 20, 2019 4:47:54 GMT Zyobot said:

Forgive me for not bringing more information to the table, but I'm thinking of writing a TL about this very scenario some day. Perhaps I'll title it "The Separatist-Imperial Wars" or something to that affect.

Yes, yes, I'm aware that I have to pick up the slack on A Galaxy Divergent first.

Would it not bee called the CIS-Imperial War.

I could go with that, but then it'd probably be the CIS-Empire War to make it grammatically consistent throughout. Besides, "The Separatist-Imperial Wars" sounds more epic to my ears.

So--at least for now--that's the title I currently have in mind (though have not yet finalized).

[mullauna]

strip Palpy of his force powers at the same time as the ISOT?

[lordroel]

Mar 19, 2019 12:52:38 GMT mullauna said:

strip Palpy of his force powers at the same time as the ISOT?

Then he will be a very smart person without powers i guess.

[Zyobot]

Mar 25, 2019 16:05:25 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 19, 2019 12:52:38 GMT mullauna said:

strip Palpy of his force powers at the same time as the ISOT?

Then he will be a very smart person without powers i guess.

In addition, Palps would still have an Imperial war machine that remained loyal to him and imposed his will across the Galaxy, even without his powers as a trump card to keep the likes of Vader in check. That said, I think he'd find himself in the presence of his Force-using disciples a great deal less often due to concern that they might use his newfound inability to defend himself against him when no one's looking.

Honestly, I think that it'd be easier for us to discuss the scenario if no one lost their powers in the ISOT and every player in the galactic game focused on the renewed war with the long thought vanquished CIS. And given how iron-fisted the Empire is compared to its Republican predecessor, something tells me that the resulting conflict would be much more brutal than the Clone Wars was.

[lordroel]

Mar 25, 2019 16:31:17 GMT Zyobot said:

Mar 25, 2019 16:05:25 GMT lordroel said:

Then he will be a very smart person without powers i guess.

In addition, Palps would still have an Imperial war machine that remained loyal to him and imposed his will across the Galaxy, even without his powers as a trump card to keep the likes of Vader in check. That said, I think he'd find himself in the presence of his Force-using disciples a great deal less often due to concern that they might use his newfound inability to defend himself against him when no one's looking.

Honestly, I think that it'd be easier for us to discuss the scenario if no one lost their powers in the ISOT and every player in the galactic game focused on the renewed war with the long thought vanquished CIS. And given how iron-fisted the Empire is compared to its Republican predecessor, something tells me that the resulting conflict would be much more brutal than the Clone Wars was.

I would also assume that Palps knows a lot of secrets which he can use to his advantage.

[Zyobot]

Mar 25, 2019 16:34:47 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 25, 2019 16:31:17 GMT Zyobot said:

In addition, Palps would still have an Imperial war machine that remained loyal to him and imposed his will across the Galaxy, even without his powers as a trump card to keep the likes of Vader in check. That said, I think he'd find himself in the presence of his Force-using disciples a great deal less often due to concern that they might use his newfound inability to defend himself against him when no one's looking.

Honestly, I think that it'd be easier for us to discuss the scenario if no one lost their powers in the ISOT and every player in the galactic game focused on the renewed war with the long thought vanquished CIS. And given how iron-fisted the Empire is compared to its Republican predecessor, something tells me that the resulting conflict would be much more brutal than the Clone Wars was.

I would also assume that Palps knows a lot of secrets which he can use to his advantage.

What sorts of secrets could Old Sheev use to his advantage, do you think--i.e. key CIS strongholds, industrial capacity, Force magic that could tip the war in the Empire's favor, etcetera? At first glance, it makes sense to me that he would've broken the third option out IOTL if he had access to it. Or maybe his arrogance was such that he felt no need to, and he paid the price for that hubris once it was too late to turn back.