Real time Discusion thread

[stevep]

Mar 15, 2020 11:24:41 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 15, 2020 11:23:48 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

  One small query on today's WWI entry.  You have

  This is slightly odd wording as normally it would be "are aware" so I'm wondering if it should be "are completely unaware", i.e. not knowing of it being planned/happening.  Another option is simply that because English is your 2nd language your said/translated it that way but "completely aware" slightly jars as its not the way it would normally be said.

  Presumably we will know if there are [unfortunately] unsuccessful attempts to intercept Hipper as I know she doesn't get sunk and manages to get back to Norway.

  Steve

Thanks will change it.

lordroel,

  Only if your sure its inaccurate.  It could be accurate, i.e. that Britain knows about the intent to sail and just the way you worded it sounds a bit off to me.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 15, 2020 12:04:45 GMT stevep said:

Mar 15, 2020 11:24:41 GMT lordroel said:

Thanks will change it.

lordroel ,

  Only if your sure its inaccurate.  It could be accurate, i.e. that Britain knows about the intent to sail and just the way you worded it sounds a bit off to me.

  Steve

According to Wiki: On 15 March, the ship slipped out of Brest, unobserved, and passed through the Denmark Strait eight days later, thus the British did not know that she left, otherwise i would assume the RAF and the RN would be waiting to intercept the Hipper. 

[stevep]

Mar 15, 2020 12:08:31 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 15, 2020 12:04:45 GMT stevep said:

lordroel ,

  Only if your sure its inaccurate.  It could be accurate, i.e. that Britain knows about the intent to sail and just the way you worded it sounds a bit off to me.

  Steve

According to Wiki: On 15 March, the ship slipped out of Brest, unobserved, and passed through the Denmark Strait eight days later, thus the British did not know that she left, otherwise i would assume the RAF and the RN would be waiting to intercept the Hipper. 

  Well if they found out she was gone they would be hunting here but they might not realise where she's going and be thinking she's out hunting somewhere in the Atlantic.

[stevep]

   lordroel ,

  One small typo in the WWI post for today.  You have

- With Admiral Robeck having resigned yesterday due to illness, he is replaced as commander of the Dardanelles expedition by Rear Admiral John de Robeck, formerly the second-in-command. Churchill immediately encourages de Robeck to energetically attack the straits, and the later, accepting Carden's plan, states that with good weather the operation will begin tomorrow.

  The 1st Robeck should be Carden as he was the one who resigned due to illness. See Admiral Robeck for confirmation.

  Otherwise looking good.

  Thanks

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 17, 2020 11:04:43 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

  One small typo in the WWI post for today.  You have

- With Admiral Robeck having resigned yesterday due to illness, he is replaced as commander of the Dardanelles expedition by Rear Admiral John de Robeck, formerly the second-in-command. Churchill immediately encourages de Robeck to energetically attack the straits, and the later, accepting Carden's plan, states that with good weather the operation will begin tomorrow.

  The 1st Robeck should be Carden as he was the one who resigned due to illness. See Admiral Robeck for confirmation.

  Otherwise looking good.

  Thanks

  Steve

Thanks, will edit it.

[stevep]

  lordroel ,

  Well another bloody day in both WWI and WWII.  Would be an interesting AH if Robeck did continue the attack and after running out of ammo the Turks are forced to withdraw.  Getting the fleet into the Sea of Marmara may not force the Turks out of the war but could have a big impact on neutrals, especially Greece and Bulgaria. 

  One small typo noted in the WWII thread entry.

Accordingly, the British begin surveying the gorge itself. Heath has his troops escort engineers into the gorge. They find that the Italians have dumped rocks and debris into it, blocking the way. The engineers make a start to clearing the way. However, the small parties come under heavy Italian defensive, and the effort must be abandoned.

  Think there is a fire missing here after defensive?

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 18, 2020 10:53:33 GMT stevep said:

  lordroel ,

  Well another bloody day in both WWI and WWII.  Would be an interesting AH if Robeck did continue the attack and after running out of ammo the Turks are forced to withdraw.  Getting the fleet into the Sea of Marmara may not force the Turks out of the war but could have a big impact on neutrals, especially Greece and Bulgaria. 

  One small typo noted in the WWII thread entry.

Accordingly, the British begin surveying the gorge itself. Heath has his troops escort engineers into the gorge. They find that the Italians have dumped rocks and debris into it, blocking the way. The engineers make a start to clearing the way. However, the small parties come under heavy Italian defensive, and the effort must be abandoned.

  Think there is a fire missing here after defensive?

  Steve

Thanks for the spotting as always stevep, will fix it. 

[stevep]

   lordroel ,

   Think there's a small typo in the current WWII post.  On the E African section you have:

General Lewis Heath's 5th Indian Infantry Division continues to pursue the fleeing Italian troops toward the port of Massawa. The 4th Indian Infantry Division has been redirected to Port Sudan for shipment to Port Sudan - showing the amount of confidence that Middle East Commander General Archibald Wavell has in a single division's ability to subdue the port's garrison.

  I suspect its shipment from Port Sudan to possibly Suez?

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 30, 2020 12:12:21 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

   Think there's a small typo in the current WWII post.  On the E African section you have:

General Lewis Heath's 5th Indian Infantry Division continues to pursue the fleeing Italian troops toward the port of Massawa. The 4th Indian Infantry Division has been redirected to Port Sudan for shipment to Port Sudan - showing the amount of confidence that Middle East Commander General Archibald Wavell has in a single division's ability to subdue the port's garrison.

  I suspect its shipment from Port Sudan to possibly Suez?

  Steve

Will fix it, thanks for spotting it as always.

[stevep]

   lordroel ,

  In today's WWII thread I think there a small typo in the para.

At 07:45, the Afrika Korps launches the next stage of its offensive, sending 50 tanks and taking part in the defenses at Mersa Brega. The Afrika Korps takes Ajdabiya. The British lose numerous armored cars and light tanks. This attack is into the "Mersa El Brega Gap," an area between the coast and desert where the flat ground makes it good tank country.

  Should that in be an of?  That would seem to make more sense as it is the Germans attacking.  Also good point on Ultra backfiring in this case as Rommel is attacking in defiance of orders so gains additional surprise.

  Also in the air war section I'm confused by the reference to the "A four-engine Wellington bomber" as to the best of my knowledge they were only twin engined designs produced.  Unless there's some variant out there I don't know of and Wiki either after a quick check either its a Wellington with 2 engines or something else - the Sterling bomber was entering service in early 8141 so possibly that?  Checking the Halifax that's also an option as that entered service in late 1940 - thought it was after the Sterling.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Mar 31, 2020 11:17:48 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

  In today's WWII thread I think there a small typo in the para.

At 07:45, the Afrika Korps launches the next stage of its offensive, sending 50 tanks and taking part in the defenses at Mersa Brega. The Afrika Korps takes Ajdabiya. The British lose numerous armored cars and light tanks. This attack is into the "Mersa El Brega Gap," an area between the coast and desert where the flat ground makes it good tank country.

  Should that in be an of?  That would seem to make more sense as it is the Germans attacking.  Also good point on Ultra backfiring in this case as Rommel is attacking in defiance of orders so gains additional surprise.

  Also in the air war section I'm confused by the reference to the "A four-engine Wellington bomber" as to the best of my knowledge they were only twin engined designs produced.  Unless there's some variant out there I don't know of and Wiki either after a quick check either its a Wellington with 2 engines or something else - the Sterling bomber was entering service in early 8141 so possibly that?  Checking the Halifax that's also an option as that entered service in late 1940 - thought it was after the Sterling.

  Steve

Thanks, will fix it as awlays.

[stevep]

   lordroel ,

  A couple of comments on the WWII thread today.

  Interesting, I don't think I had heard of the tea drop over the Netherlands before.  Sounds like a good idea in terms of boosting moral of the population, especially after the killings following the earlier attempt at a general strike.

  I think there's one oddity in the para

Royal Navy submarine HMS Tigris attacks and sinks 5486-ton German armed tanker Thorn about 75 miles (110 km) southwest of St. Nazaire in the Bay of Biscay. The attack is distinguished by the huge amount of effort that Bone puts into the attack: no less than seven torpedoes and gunfire. Tankers are always difficult to sink because of their construction, but that is an inordinate amount of munitions for one medium-sized ship.

  Guessing that Bone is the name of the commanding officer of the Tigris?

  Thanks

  Steve

[lordroel]

Apr 2, 2020 9:18:44 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

  A couple of comments on the WWII thread today.

  Interesting, I don't think I had heard of the tea drop over the Netherlands before.  Sounds like a good idea in terms of boosting moral of the population, especially after the killings following the earlier attempt at a general strike.

  I think there's one oddity in the para

Royal Navy submarine HMS Tigris attacks and sinks 5486-ton German armed tanker Thorn about 75 miles (110 km) southwest of St. Nazaire in the Bay of Biscay. The attack is distinguished by the huge amount of effort that Bone puts into the attack: no less than seven torpedoes and gunfire. Tankers are always difficult to sink because of their construction, but that is an inordinate amount of munitions for one medium-sized ship.

  Guessing that Bone is the name of the commanding officer of the Tigris?

  Thanks

  Steve

Yep the Bone mention here is Commander Howard Bone.

[stevep]

Apr 2, 2020 9:39:29 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 2, 2020 9:18:44 GMT stevep said:

   lordroel ,

  A couple of comments on the WWII thread today.

  Interesting, I don't think I had heard of the tea drop over the Netherlands before.  Sounds like a good idea in terms of boosting moral of the population, especially after the killings following the earlier attempt at a general strike.

  I think there's one oddity in the para

  Guessing that Bone is the name of the commanding officer of the Tigris?

  Thanks

  Steve

Yep the Bone mention here is Commander Howard Bone.

 lordroel,

  Would it be possible to just add a little to the post to make that clear please? - PS noting that Commander Bone had another success today.

  On today's WWII post - 3rd April - I noticed a small typo.

The Luftwaffe, perhaps to emphasize that it is still not there and not completely flown off to Bulgaria, attacks Bristol in its first big raid in many days. It sends 94 bombers, of which 76 arrive to make bombing runs. The bombers are from KG 1, KG 26, KG 76, KG 27, KG 54 and KGr 806. The bombers are led to the target by fourteen Heinkel He 111s which are specially equipped with X-Verfahren guided radar. Another group of nine Luftwaffe bombers hit Hull. In both cities, the priorities are docks and factories, and while much damage is done, it is contained and does not cause as many casualties as some raids earlier in the Blitz.

  I think that 1st not shouldn't be there.

  Thanks

  Steve

[lordroel]

Apr 3, 2020 12:28:18 GMT stevep said:

Apr 2, 2020 9:39:29 GMT lordroel said:

Yep the Bone mention here is Commander Howard Bone.

 lordroel,

  Would it be possible to just add a little to the post to make that clear please? - PS noting that Commander Bone had another success today.

  On today's WWII post - 3rd April - I noticed a small typo.

The Luftwaffe, perhaps to emphasize that it is still not there and not completely flown off to Bulgaria, attacks Bristol in its first big raid in many days. It sends 94 bombers, of which 76 arrive to make bombing runs. The bombers are from KG 1, KG 26, KG 76, KG 27, KG 54 and KGr 806. The bombers are led to the target by fourteen Heinkel He 111s which are specially equipped with X-Verfahren guided radar. Another group of nine Luftwaffe bombers hit Hull. In both cities, the priorities are docks and factories, and while much damage is done, it is contained and does not cause as many casualties as some raids earlier in the Blitz.

  I think that 1st not shouldn't be there.

  Thanks

  Steve

No problem, will do it.