Real time Discusion thread

[lordroel]

Sept 6, 2019 11:06:06 GMT stevep said:

Sept 6, 2019 10:37:39 GMT lordroel said:

Even then I would assume the LW would loss the Battle of Britain, ore am I wrong.

  Given what's being reported in the thread I could see FC being forced to withdraw from the 11th Group sector and its bases so likely Goring and the regime would claim a victory here.  However as I say an invasion would fail, probably fairly disastrously for the Germans.  If they didn't come then I could see a continued war of attrition that would eventually force the LW to withdraw.  Simply by bombing London by day their giving FC more time to respond while the Me 109's have very little time to operate that far north.  Plus damaged LW a/c have further to go to reach safety or even the channel so their manpower losses are likely to increase significantly.  As such its costly for both sides but the greater production in the UK and training of pilots plus the home advantage is likely to make it worse for the Germans.

  This is of course ignoring that at some point the LW will have to withdraw to rebuild itself as best it can before Barbarossa.

Ore Italy starting its invasion of Greece wich also will draw LW assets in the future.

[stevep]

Sept 6, 2019 12:02:42 GMT lordroel said:

Sept 6, 2019 11:06:06 GMT stevep said:

  Given what's being reported in the thread I could see FC being forced to withdraw from the 11th Group sector and its bases so likely Goring and the regime would claim a victory here.  However as I say an invasion would fail, probably fairly disastrously for the Germans.  If they didn't come then I could see a continued war of attrition that would eventually force the LW to withdraw.  Simply by bombing London by day their giving FC more time to respond while the Me 109's have very little time to operate that far north.  Plus damaged LW a/c have further to go to reach safety or even the channel so their manpower losses are likely to increase significantly.  As such its costly for both sides but the greater production in the UK and training of pilots plus the home advantage is likely to make it worse for the Germans.

  This is of course ignoring that at some point the LW will have to withdraw to rebuild itself as best it can before Barbarossa.

Ore Italy starting its invasion of Greece wich also will draw LW assets in the future.

  That's another factor although the Germans only got involved after Britain did, in large part because of Hitler's concerns about securing Romanian oil.  Before that the Greeks had performed spectacularly and occupied sections of Albania but they were probably running out of steam and men given the huge discrepancy between them and Italy in terms of total manpower.

[stevep]

Lordroel

Noticing a couple of typos in the WWII entry. I.e. you have

a)

The RAF airfields and other installations, though, are largely untouched and get a chance to begin recovering from the against against them in recent weeks.

  Presume this should be "from the attacks against them".

b)

The fighters are much slower than the bombers, and it takes continual effort to remain above them and to mimic their movements.

This is wrong way around as the fighters are faster.

  Otherwise a good update and apart from the rest for the RAF airfields a bad day for Britain both in the battering at London and at sea.

  I was a bit puzzled by the term "special purposes ship" so looked the two up on Wiki and they were both termed Ocean_boarding_vessels, to be used "purpose of enforcing wartime blockades by intercepting and boarding foreign vessels."  Seems a strange role.  The list includes one famous vessel, HMS Audacity, which was actually the 1st ship converted to an escort carrier and had a short but successful career.

[lordroel]

Sept 7, 2019 10:42:58 GMT stevep said:

Lordroel

Noticing a couple of typos in the WWII entry. I.e. you have

a)

The RAF airfields and other installations, though, are largely untouched and get a chance to begin recovering from the against against them in recent weeks.

  Presume this should be "from the attacks against them".

b)

The fighters are much slower than the bombers, and it takes continual effort to remain above them and to mimic their movements.

This is wrong way around as the fighters are faster.

  Otherwise a good update and apart from the rest for the RAF airfields a bad day for Britain both in the battering at London and at sea.

  I was a bit puzzled by the term "special purposes ship" so looked the two up on Wiki and they were both termed Ocean_boarding_vessels, to be used "purpose of enforcing wartime blockades by intercepting and boarding foreign vessels."  Seems a strange role.  The list includes one famous vessel, HMS Audacity, which was actually the 1st ship converted to an escort carrier and had a short but successful career.

Yep it is getting more bloody in the Battle of Britain, also I will inform the trolls about doing better their best.

[stevep]

   Lordroel

   On the WWII thread today you have the line near the end about US naval construction.

With a new $5 million appropriation available, the US Navy places orders for seven battleships, 12 aircraft carriers and 191 additional ships.

   Should this be $5 billion or some other figure as $5 million wouldn't pay for a single battleship or more than about 25% of one at 1940 prices?  Or is this possibly a figure just for drawing up designs, calling for bids or something else in the procurement process?

   Steve

[lordroel]

Sept 9, 2019 15:49:41 GMT stevep said:

   Lordroel

   On the WWII thread today you have the line near the end about US naval construction.

With a new $5 million appropriation available, the US Navy places orders for seven battleships, 12 aircraft carriers and 191 additional ships.

   Should this be $5 billion or some other figure as $5 million wouldn't pay for a single battleship or more than about 25% of one at 1940 prices?  Or is this possibly a figure just for drawing up designs, calling for bids or something else in the procurement process?

   Steve

Seems you are right stevep, will talk with the troll who created this post and explain him the difference between 5 million and 5 billion.

[eurowatch]

Sept 9, 2019 15:54:19 GMT lordroel said:

Sept 9, 2019 15:49:41 GMT stevep said:

   Lordroel

   On the WWII thread today you have the line near the end about US naval construction.

   Should this be $5 billion or some other figure as $5 million wouldn't pay for a single battleship or more than about 25% of one at 1940 prices?  Or is this possibly a figure just for drawing up designs, calling for bids or something else in the procurement process?

   Steve

Seems you are right stevep , will talk with the troll who created this post and explain him the difference between 5 million and 5 billion.

Please remind that comrade that if he repeats his mistake he gets send to the GOOGlag.

[lordroel]

Sept 9, 2019 16:11:48 GMT eurowatch said:

Sept 9, 2019 15:54:19 GMT lordroel said:

Seems you are right stevep , will talk with the troll who created this post and explain him the difference between 5 million and 5 billion.

Please remind that comrade that if he repeats his mistake he gets send to the GOOGlag.

I will remind him of your suggestion.

[stevep]

   One small quibble in the WWII thread. You have

The Italian 10th Army continues assembling and slowly slogging toward the Egyptian frontier, which it has not yet reached (accounts vary on when it actually crosses the frontier, and it really doesn't matter in the endless deserts anyway). The main striking force, the Maletti Group composed of the Italian armor, has great difficulty with the desert conditions, suffering numerous equipment breakdowns and getting lost in the desert. The Italian armor retreats, and the British sow mines in their path and do whatever else they can to harass them.

  Is it actually retreating at this stage and if so how are British forces getting ahead of it or is it resuming the advance?  Possibly its accurate but it just sounds a bit odd.  Or possibly it might be the British armour retreating in front of the Italian advance and doing anything they can to impede the Italian advance?

  PS Love the line about the "air conditioned cockpits" on the Heinkels who got mobbed by a successful attack.   That is another problem with attacking London rather than targets to the south as the limited range of the Me109's means they can't stay on escort duty for long.

[lordroel]

Sept 10, 2019 8:50:53 GMT stevep said:

   One small quibble in the WWII thread. You have

The Italian 10th Army continues assembling and slowly slogging toward the Egyptian frontier, which it has not yet reached (accounts vary on when it actually crosses the frontier, and it really doesn't matter in the endless deserts anyway). The main striking force, the Maletti Group composed of the Italian armor, has great difficulty with the desert conditions, suffering numerous equipment breakdowns and getting lost in the desert. The Italian armor retreats, and the British sow mines in their path and do whatever else they can to harass them.

  Is it actually retreating at this stage and if so how are British forces getting ahead of it or is it resuming the advance?  Possibly its accurate but it just sounds a bit odd.  Or possibly it might be the British armour retreating in front of the Italian advance and doing anything they can to impede the Italian advance?

  PS Love the line about the "air conditioned cockpits" on the Heinkels who got mobbed by a successful attack.   That is another problem with attacking London rather than targets to the south as the limited range of the Me109's means they can't stay on escort duty for long.

By this stage the British where still heavy outnumbered by the Italians am I right.

[stevep]

Sept 10, 2019 8:56:26 GMT lordroel said:

Sept 10, 2019 8:50:53 GMT stevep said:

   One small quibble in the WWII thread. You have

  Is it actually retreating at this stage and if so how are British forces getting ahead of it or is it resuming the advance?  Possibly its accurate but it just sounds a bit odd.  Or possibly it might be the British armour retreating in front of the Italian advance and doing anything they can to impede the Italian advance?

  PS Love the line about the "air conditioned cockpits" on the Heinkels who got mobbed by a successful attack.   That is another problem with attacking London rather than targets to the south as the limited range of the Me109's means they can't stay on escort duty for long.

By this stage the British where still heavy outnumbered by the Italians am I right.

  Definitely.  However you have the Italians withdrawing, which suggests a retirement westwards back into Libya and the British laying mines in front of them to delay them, which would imply British forces were between them and their base.  As I say if it was the British withdrawing and laying mines to delay the Italian advance that would make sense to me and is the sort of thing that happened as the British forces gave ground.  However as worded it sounds wrong.

  It could be the Italians are regrouping after getting lost and that might also include a withdrawal westwards.  However then the bit about British forces laying mines in front of that retreat?  Unless possibly  its that the Italians are still generally on the advance - which I think they were - and the reference to mine laying is in relation to that and unrelated to a regrouping of elements of the Italian armour?

[stevep]

   WWII thread, you have a section labelled

and gave reason for the Queen (now the Queen Mother) to state . . .

  That dates this source as she died in 2002. 

 

  After the link to Churchill's speech there is the word "And"  Should there have been something else?

[lordroel]

Sept 10, 2019 8:56:26 GMT lordroel said:

Sept 10, 2019 8:50:53 GMT stevep said:

   One small quibble in the WWII thread. You have

  Is it actually retreating at this stage and if so how are British forces getting ahead of it or is it resuming the advance?  Possibly its accurate but it just sounds a bit odd.  Or possibly it might be the British armour retreating in front of the Italian advance and doing anything they can to impede the Italian advance?

  PS Love the line about the "air conditioned cockpits" on the Heinkels who got mobbed by a successful attack.   That is another problem with attacking London rather than targets to the south as the limited range of the Me109's means they can't stay on escort duty for long.

By this stage the British where still heavy outnumbered by the Italians am I right.

Thanks stevep, for spotting it, it seems the troll in charge had forgotten to add the full text of Churchill speech, it has been fixed.

[stevep]

   Lordroel

   In the WWII thread you have:

The Liverpool raids the Liverpool harbor and damages freighter Tintern Abbey, Royal Navy storeship Glenroy and troopship HMT Highland Princess.

   Where I suspect that 1st Liverpool should be Luftwaffe?

   Otherwise looking good.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Sept 12, 2019 17:16:16 GMT stevep said:

   Lordroel

   In the WWII thread you have:

The Liverpool raids the Liverpool harbor and damages freighter Tintern Abbey, Royal Navy storeship Glenroy and troopship HMT Highland Princess.

   Where I suspect that 1st Liverpool should be Luftwaffe?

   Otherwise looking good.

  Steve

Damm that troll really hates Liverpool, will speak about it with him.