A better Philippine Air Force in the Cold War to present day

[lordroel]

gillan1220, what about having some of these.

[gillan1220]

Dec 18, 2020 16:11:45 GMT lordroel said:

gillan1220 , what about having some of these.

Is this an F-4? If so, the F-4 Phantom was actually considered in the 1970s-80s but was scrapped due to the economic situation around that time. Even if Japan and South Korea still operate these, the PAF would not want to use hand-me-downs once more.

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2020 16:25:48 GMT gillan1220 said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:11:45 GMT lordroel said:

gillan1220 , what about having some of these.

Is this an F-4? If so, the F-4 Phantom was actually considered in the 1970s-80s but was scrapped due to the economic situation around that time. Even if Japan and South Korea still operate these, the PAF would not want to use hand-me-downs once more.

No it is from a certian country in the Middle East who has sold them to countries like Colombia, Ecuador and Sri Lanka.

[gillan1220]

Dec 18, 2020 16:27:07 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:25:48 GMT gillan1220 said:

Is this an F-4? If so, the F-4 Phantom was actually considered in the 1970s-80s but was scrapped due to the economic situation around that time. Even if Japan and South Korea still operate these, the PAF would not want to use hand-me-downs once more.

No it is from a certian country in the Middle East who has sold them to countries like Colombia, Ecuador and Sri Lanka.

So far the PAF has not expressed interest to get these jets after the 1980s. 

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2020 16:28:18 GMT gillan1220 said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:27:07 GMT lordroel said:

No it is from a certian country in the Middle East who has sold them to countries like Colombia, Ecuador and Sri Lanka.

So far the PAF has not expressed interest to get these jets after the 1980s. 

Why not the Kfir is a good fighter for a good price.

[gillan1220]

Dec 18, 2020 16:30:11 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:28:18 GMT gillan1220 said:

So far the PAF has not expressed interest to get these jets after the 1980s. 

Why not the Kfir is a good fighter for a good price.

One article from 1995 has this to say about the Kfir. My guess the Asian Financial Crisis also affected the Kfir procurement. The same article also mentions F-16s from the U.S., MiG-29s from Russia, Dassault Mirage F1 from France, and the Cheetah from South Africa.

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2020 16:32:55 GMT gillan1220 said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:30:11 GMT lordroel said:

Why not the Kfir is a good fighter for a good price.

One article from 1995 has this to say about the Kfir. My guess the Asian Financial Crisis also affected the Kfir procurement. The same article also mentions F-16s from the U.S., MiG-29s from Russia, Dassault Mirage F1 from France, and the Cheetah from South Africa.

Still this looks good.

[gillan1220]

Dec 18, 2020 16:34:11 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:32:55 GMT gillan1220 said:

One article from 1995 has this to say about the Kfir. My guess the Asian Financial Crisis also affected the Kfir procurement. The same article also mentions F-16s from the U.S., MiG-29s from Russia, Dassault Mirage F1 from France, and the Cheetah from South Africa.

Still this looks good.

Would have been great to fill in the gaps where the F-8s used to do.

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2020 16:50:04 GMT gillan1220 said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:34:11 GMT lordroel said:

Still this looks good.

Would have been great to fill in the gaps where the F-8s used to do.

Well i read in the IAI Kfir Wikipedia page that in the early 1990s, IAI was looking to export 40 Kfir-C fighters to the Republic of China (Taiwan) in a deal estimated to have been worth US$400 million to $1 billion; however, the deal ultimately fell through.

So what if the Philippine Air Force bought them, 40 advance fighters would give the PAF a good punch, they could always replace the Kfir if they chose not to upgrade them with these guys among others.



Ore even these guys.

[gillan1220]

Dec 18, 2020 17:41:14 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 18, 2020 16:50:04 GMT gillan1220 said:

Would have been great to fill in the gaps where the F-8s used to do.

Well i read in the IAI Kfir Wikipedia page that in the early 1990s, IAI was looking to export 40 Kfir-C fighters to the Republic of China (Taiwan) in a deal estimated to have been worth US$400 million to $1 billion; however, the deal ultimately fell through.

So what if the Philippine Air Force bought them, 40 advance fighters would give the PAF a good punch, they could always replace the Kfir if they chose not to upgrade them with these guys among others.



Ore even these guys.

The Kfir would no doubt be the primary fighter jet of the PAF from the 1990s to maybe until new jets arrive in the 2010s.

The Gripen has been in the list of the PAF in 2009 but has never materialized.

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2020 17:49:14 GMT gillan1220 said:

Dec 18, 2020 17:41:14 GMT lordroel said:

Well i read in the IAI Kfir Wikipedia page that in the early 1990s, IAI was looking to export 40 Kfir-C fighters to the Republic of China (Taiwan) in a deal estimated to have been worth US$400 million to $1 billion; however, the deal ultimately fell through.

So what if the Philippine Air Force bought them, 40 advance fighters would give the PAF a good punch, they could always replace the Kfir if they chose not to upgrade them with these guys among others.



Ore even these guys.

The Kfir would no doubt be the primary fighter jet of the PAF from the 1990s to maybe until new jets arrive in the 2010s.

The Gripen has been in the list of the PAF in 2009 but has never materialized.

So the Kfir and F-5s could be in service until 2010, if we add the F/A-18 Hornet and F-16C Fighting Falcons to the list, then the PAF would have one of the strongest air forces in the region. 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Though it would also depend on whether or not the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis would be lessened or not, depending on Indonesia’s economic performance.

[gillan1220]

Perhaps the Mitsubishi F-2 would have been considered by the PAF if Japan did not have those Article 9 restrictions.

[TheRomanSlayer]

That too, and given the recent Golden Eagle fighter jets that South Korea made, I'm not sure how that might perform against the Mitsubishi F-2, although is there a loophole in Article 9 that could allow the Philippines to acquire license to build weapons that the Japanese military uses?

[gillan1220]

Dec 20, 2020 7:19:25 GMT TheRomanSlayer said:

That too, and given the recent Golden Eagle fighter jets that South Korea made, I'm not sure how that might perform against the Mitsubishi F-2, although is there a loophole in Article 9 that could allow the Philippines to acquire license to build weapons that the Japanese military uses?

The Golden Eagle is a trainer platform while the F-2 can be an MRF. The F-2 is based on the F-16 and is no doubt expensive. I'm not sure if such loophole exists for weapons and vehicles to be sold. I do remember the PAF were able to purchase Huey spare parts and Japanese radar platforms.