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Post by stevep on Jun 27, 2021 11:56:48 GMT
My point is that butterflies from my meddling from 1990 onward could well mean you and her don't exist since your not born until some time afterwards.
If I was referring to my own timeline where I woke up as 11-12 years old again, then I may see her. Her and I are already born.
True if its only you affected. Best of luck in that case. Plus with such a late POD compared to say my case then we might well still see Lordroel setting up this site and you will know where to find us.  |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 27, 2021 12:00:28 GMT
If I was referring to my own timeline where I woke up as 11-12 years old again, then I may see her. Her and I are already born.
True if its only you affected. Best of luck in that case. Plus with such a late POD compared to say my case then we might well still see Lordroel setting up this site and you will know where to find us. I joined 2019 in this site. Might as well join a bit earlier if that was the case. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jun 27, 2021 16:37:03 GMT
That's crossed my mind before, though the absence of younger members via butterflies would make my modified scenario less interesting. Having us reincarnated into different children our parents might have is a creative solution, though it's still predicated on them becoming parents at all. That, and even if I'm still born to the same parents, with the same genetics, and at the same time as IOTL, there's no guarantee I'd make it into my current family (I was adopted when I was just a few months old). Which presents another problem, for those raised by anyone other than their biological parents. I suppose that, to make things a heir less confusing, we could throw in suspension of disbelief and have younger members still be born and raised in similar conditions to IOTL. Well, epic disaster or other completely unforeseen game-changer--such as the examples you mentioned--notwithstanding, of course.  Didn't think of that, but it would make a difference. I don't know what SinghSong wants to do here, but as it applies to my derivative proposal, I'd be fine with us taking items we can carry on our person back in time. We'd have to make sure they're not seized by our parents, though--or worse, the government--if they stick out too much (e.g. bringing you smartphone back to 2001).
How useful would a USB stick or a 2019 mobile phone be in whatever earlier time we go to? Nother would be any good to me in 1990 but never had a mobile so not sure how backward comparable a modern one would be? Also this assumes that we're given some warning of what's going to happen so we can check some information and make records of things. Like long odds winners in assorted sporting events in the 1st few days after we get back, to give us a boost to our finances.
Good point. I suppose it depends on the period you've been sent back to having enough technological parity with the present. Fortunately for me, the early 2010s has wi-fi and other infrastructure needed to make modern devices work (though I'd also hope for ASB to send a modern charging cable along, just in case). I'd also be willing to downgrade a little, should the electronics I brought along with me start malfunctioning, though I'd also want to verify that I can transfer my data over to the downgraded device(s) without issue. But, for those sent to a time before ubiquitous digitization, I wish them the best of luck recalling whatever's necessary to make their desired mark. Not to mention coping with some massive internet withdrawal, which just about no one will know how to help you manage. 
Addressing the second half of your post, I guess ASB could send both you and a few man-portable supplies back in time with you, but without giving advanced notice of what they're doing. This means that lordroel gets his USB, and I retain my current Apple ensemble, with the same going for anyone else who has useful accoutrements they regularly (or not so regularly) use.
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Post by Zyobot on Jun 27, 2021 17:00:08 GMT
How useful would a USB stick or a 2019 mobile phone be in whatever earlier time we go to? Nother would be any good to me in 1990 but never had a mobile so not sure how backward comparable a modern one would be? Also this assumes that we're given some warning of what's going to happen so we can check some information and make records of things. Like long odds winners in assorted sporting events in the 1st few days after we get back, to give us a boost to our finances.
Good point. I suppose it depends on the period you've been sent back to having enough technological parity with the present. Fortunately for me, the early 2010s has wi-fi and other infrastructure needed to make modern devices work (though I'd also hope for ASB to send a modern charging cable along, just in case). I'd also be willing to downgrade a little, should the electronics I brought along with me start malfunctioning, though I'd also want to verify that I can transfer my data over to the downgraded device(s) without issue. But, for those sent to a time before ubiquitous digitization, I wish them the best of luck recalling whatever's necessary to make their desired mark. Not to mention coping with some massive internet withdrawal, which just about no one will know how to help you manage.
Addressing the second half of your post, I guess ASB could send both you and a few man-portable supplies back in time with you, but without giving advanced notice of what they're doing. This means that lordroel gets his USB, and I retain my current Apple ensemble, with the same going for anyone else who has useful accoutrements they regularly (or not so regularly) use.
Actually, slight problem with this: Thanks to older members letting loose butterflies long before I’m born, that could very well affect technological progression down the line in ways we’re not used to. If smart devices and the internet explosion that I grew up with don’t happen, that makes my Apple devices both alien and of questionable use. Which really throws a wrench in the gears, since I’m hoping to have at least some photographic and written “proof” on my phone I can show my folks. I can still use an old-fashioned notebook to jot down what I know, but still.  Hopefully, any technological butterflies are either too minor to make a meaningful difference, or they actually make things more advanced than IOTL (in ways convenient for us, anyway). If I woke up in a world where “smartphones” looked more like T-Communicators while retaining all the bells and whistles I’ve grown to know and love, that’s nothing for me to complain about. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 28, 2021 15:35:55 GMT
Good point. I suppose it depends on the period you've been sent back to having enough technological parity with the present. Fortunately for me, the early 2010s has wi-fi and other infrastructure needed to make modern devices work (though I'd also hope for ASB to send a modern charging cable along, just in case). I'd also be willing to downgrade a little, should the electronics I brought along with me start malfunctioning, though I'd also want to verify that I can transfer my data over to the downgraded device(s) without issue. But, for those sent to a time before ubiquitous digitization, I wish them the best of luck recalling whatever's necessary to make their desired mark. Not to mention coping with some massive internet withdrawal, which just about no one will know how to help you manage.
Addressing the second half of your post, I guess ASB could send both you and a few man-portable supplies back in time with you, but without giving advanced notice of what they're doing. This means that lordroel gets his USB, and I retain my current Apple ensemble, with the same going for anyone else who has useful accoutrements they regularly (or not so regularly) use.
Actually, slight problem with this: Thanks to older members letting loose butterflies long before I’m born, that could very well affect technological progression down the line in ways we’re not used to. If smart devices and the internet explosion that I grew up with don’t happen, that makes my Apple devices both alien and of questionable use. Which really throws a wrench in the gears, since I’m hoping to have at least some photographic and written “proof” on my phone I can show my folks. I can still use an old-fashioned notebook to jot down what I know, but still. Hopefully, any technological butterflies are either too minor to make a meaningful difference, or they actually make things more advanced than IOTL (in ways convenient for us, anyway). If I woke up in a world where “smartphones” looked more like T-Communicators while retaining all the bells and whistles I’ve grown to know and love, that’s nothing for me to complain about.
Good point. Not sure how much I would be likely to affect technology, especially with a PoD of 1990. Not a lot I expect. However possibly would modify some standards or what future options end up dominating a market. For instance, just checking Amazon was founded in 1994 so just possibly 575 or me could end up affecting something so there's another company [or more than one] filling that nitch now. Or having changed standards so that when you reappear in your past your devices are now incompatible with what's there.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 7, 2021 15:05:38 GMT
Actually, slight problem with this: Thanks to older members letting loose butterflies long before I’m born, that could very well affect technological progression down the line in ways we’re not used to. If smart devices and the internet explosion that I grew up with don’t happen, that makes my Apple devices both alien and of questionable use. Which really throws a wrench in the gears, since I’m hoping to have at least some photographic and written “proof” on my phone I can show my folks. I can still use an old-fashioned notebook to jot down what I know, but still. Hopefully, any technological butterflies are either too minor to make a meaningful difference, or they actually make things more advanced than IOTL (in ways convenient for us, anyway). If I woke up in a world where “smartphones” looked more like T-Communicators while retaining all the bells and whistles I’ve grown to know and love, that’s nothing for me to complain about.
Good point. Not sure how much I would be likely to affect technology, especially with a PoD of 1990. Not a lot I expect. However possibly would modify some standards or what future options end up dominating a market. For instance, just checking Amazon was founded in 1994 so just possibly 575 or me could end up affecting something so there's another company [or more than one] filling that nitch now. Or having changed standards so that when you reappear in your past your devices are now incompatible with what's there.
Having more options within the e-commerce market would be nice, yes. Same for smart devices, though such divergences may make my Apple ensemble incompatible with what's there, just as you've said.
I suppose it'd be less of a hassle than if they had no technological equivalents there, since it'd force me to cope with internet withdrawal myself. Theoretically, I could potentially have a programmer or technologist look at my stuff and see whether we can transfer the data. But practically, that's a honey pot for trouble, given how it exposes me to total strangers, when that's the last thing I want. Having devices that look nothing like the options on the market would be an eyebrow-raiser of its own, it seems. |
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Post by SpaceOrbisHistory on Jul 19, 2021 5:31:54 GMT
You still retain all of your memories and knowledge from the future, but you wake up in your younger body, on the day exactly halfway between your date of birth and the present day. When would that be for you, and what would you do? How would you cope, and what might you do differently? And how much (or little) do you think that your actions could potentially alter the course of history? As I'm no good at math I'll just answer this by dividing my age by half and answer it as I think I would at that age. So I would be 14 and a half years old. So if I'm right bitcoin should fall until 2011 so I find how to mine it fairly soon. I would talk my father into buying me a real nice pc and start mining it. We had a desk computer so that may be what I use for the power and my laptop to help get more. I'm going to guess this is for everybody and not just me so my brother would be 13 and a half and he likly knows when it fall so I should be able to sell it when it's still high. So I would have millions if not tens of millions. I would pour alot into green technologies and up and coming tech companies. Youtube may have existed in 2006 so knowing how big it would become I'm pouring a good bit into that. The Iphone shouldn't be too far off so some would be put into Apple and Google becuase why not make money on a sure thing. Disney practically owns all the entertainment franchises so I'm buying a lot of stock in Disney. With the kind of money I should have by the time I turn 18 I should have enough to have a voice and tell them to buy Star Wars and use the extended universe for inspiration. While I do love Star Wars the newer one, the main ones at least are so poorly done that it would be better to just have them not exist at all. |
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Post by belushitd on Jul 22, 2021 14:26:02 GMT
I'd make a couple different choices back in the day regarding studying for school and who I actively pursued relationship wise.
I wouldn't get out of school any sooner, but I'd have better grades, so better job, and spend less time in emotional hell due to a poor choice in girlfriend(s).
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Post by oscssw on Oct 3, 2021 14:30:12 GMT
Well that is the big question, how can we solve things to happen without being send to a place that locks us up.
Well, if I plucked up the nerve to actually do it and could remember suitable details I could try having a word with security at my place, possibly via my boss, and mention a few that I knew were coming or already occurring but not yet made public. For instance possibly some of the notorious child sex abuse by people such as Jimmy Saville or the murders of the Wests. Possibly also events such as the Gulf War with Iraq's occupation of Kuwait due in - checking up Aug 1990. Or some economic scandals - although of course I need to avoid implicating someone with too much power at the time. Would depend on how much I could remember of events during this period and afterwards and how likely they might be to still occur.
SteveP those are noble thoughts.
However, being the old world weary cynic that I am, I really doubt you would have any luck getting anything accomplished. You'd be labelled a nut case and that would be the end of your career and probably your personal life as you know it.
As for me I'm with lordroel buy the right stocks and bet on the real ,major sports upsets.
Now, with my ill gotten gain I would have the resources to actually do something about some of the problems you mentioned. Hiring a few really good private detectives and getting them started based on the Info about the scum bags you mentioned would be my way of putting them out of business early.
As the great Mel Brooks so eloquently said "those who have the gold make the rules".
Money does talk especially when it comes to "influencing" slime ball politicians.
I'd also take the right road fork in a whole "Passel" of really bad personal decisions.
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Post by stevep on Oct 4, 2021 15:30:28 GMT
Well, if I plucked up the nerve to actually do it and could remember suitable details I could try having a word with security at my place, possibly via my boss, and mention a few that I knew were coming or already occurring but not yet made public. For instance possibly some of the notorious child sex abuse by people such as Jimmy Saville or the murders of the Wests. Possibly also events such as the Gulf War with Iraq's occupation of Kuwait due in - checking up Aug 1990. Or some economic scandals - although of course I need to avoid implicating someone with too much power at the time. Would depend on how much I could remember of events during this period and afterwards and how likely they might be to still occur.
SteveP those are noble thoughts.
However, being the old world weary cynic that I am, I really doubt you would have any luck getting anything accomplished. You'd be labelled a nut case and that would be the end of your career and probably your personal life as you know it.
As for me I'm with lordroel buy the right stocks and bet on the real ,major sports upsets.
Now, with my ill gotten gain I would have the resources to actually do something about some of the problems you mentioned. Hiring a few really good private detectives and getting them started based on the Info about the scum bags you mentioned would be my way of putting them out of business early.
As the great Mel Brooks so eloquently said "those who have the gold make the rules".
Money does talk especially when it comes to "influencing" slime ball politicians.
I'd also take the right road fork in a whole "Passel" of really bad personal decisions.
Its not just being noble but that they are signs, since investigation would prove what I've said was accurate, that I had some form of knowledge. The best way I could see of gaining some influence and being able to give guidance.
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