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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 10:33:44 GMT
A question about weapons - muzzle loaders with rifling and make Minie balls will be possible within 10 years of the ISOT once local blacksmiths gain experience. Are breech loaders possible without rubber to create rubber seals? Think if they can make the ammunition for the weapons they have now it is not needed to go back to weapons they do not know how to use. AFAIK smokeless powder is quite complex and difficult to produce without proper chemical industry. |
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Post by 575 on Jan 22, 2022 10:55:48 GMT
I think there may be a hunter or two who also like to reload cartridges maybe even to cast their own but utilizing used ones will be easier. Perhaps an old Navy rifle range is to be found somewhere that could yield the needed spent cartridges. No need to build something of 17. cent. vintage with complicated handling not gastight and stuff if you are able to set up a basic 1890 style hunting or military rifle manufacturing with attachment for collecting the ejected cartridges for reloading. Whats more important is keeping life at 2022 level without smartphones but something more basic like VHF-radio for boats/ships, binoculars maybe radar for early warning. There are even airports with ruggedly looking small communter aircraft (BN Islanders and stuff) - definately possibilities in a world 2300 years BP.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 11:00:47 GMT
I think there may be a hunter or two who also like to reload cartridges maybe even to cast their own but utilizing used ones will be easier. Perhaps an old Navy rifle range is to be found somewhere that could yield the needed spent cartridges. No need to build something of 17. cent. vintage with complicated handling not gastight and stuff if you are able to set up a basic 1890 style hunting or military rifle manufacturing with attachment for collecting the ejected cartridges for reloading. Whats more important is keeping life at 2022 level without smartphones but something more basic like VHF-radio for boats/ships, binoculars maybe radar for early warning. There are even airports with ruggedly looking small communter aircraft (BN Islanders and stuff) - definately possibilities in a world 2300 years BP.  They have a normal airport it seems on the island called: Sumburgh AirportWith plenty of helicopters who service the oil platforms.  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 11:33:02 GMT
I think there may be a hunter or two who also like to reload cartridges maybe even to cast their own but utilizing used ones will be easier. Perhaps an old Navy rifle range is to be found somewhere that could yield the needed spent cartridges. No need to build something of 17. cent. vintage with complicated handling not gastight and stuff if you are able to set up a basic 1890 style hunting or military rifle manufacturing with attachment for collecting the ejected cartridges for reloading. Whats more important is keeping life at 2022 level without smartphones but something more basic like VHF-radio for boats/ships, binoculars maybe radar for early warning. There are even airports with ruggedly looking small communter aircraft (BN Islanders and stuff) - definately possibilities in a world 2300 years BP. They have a normal airport it seems on the island called: Sumburgh AirportWith plenty of helicopters who service the oil platforms. Most aircraft are useless anyway. There isn't a single airfield anywhere in the world. Small GA planes can land on a grass field but fuel is going to be an issue. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 11:47:34 GMT
Date of ISOT moved back to 222 BC
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 11:56:32 GMT
Date of ISOT moved back to 222 BC Nope not going to do that, you cannot change a date when we are already 2 pages in the discussion. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 11:58:20 GMT
Date of ISOT moved back to 222 BC Nope not going to do that, you cannot change a date when we are already 2 pages in the discussion. It does not impact what we have already said in any way. Have mercy sir. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:02:48 GMT
Nope not going to do that, you cannot change a date when we are already 2 pages in the discussion. It does not impact what we have already said in any way. Have mercy sir. I understand you think it okay but i feel when you set a date you need to stick to the date, i wanted to discuses the relations Shetland could have with the Roman Republic of 100 BC  Now you have change that after 2 pages worth of discussion we end up with a smaller Rome they have to deal with and potential have to pick a side between Rome and Carthage.  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 12:05:38 GMT
It does not impact what we have already said in any way. Have mercy sir. I understand you think it okay but i feel when you set a date you need to stick to the date, i wanted to discuses the relations Shetland could have with the Roman Republic of 100 BC Now you have change that after 2 pages worth of discussion we end up with a smaller Rome they have to deal with and potential have to pick a side between Rome and Carthage. Stick to 222 BC Sir. I am not going to change that again. Will they get to Rome in time? Sdcond Punic War is around the corner. Most ships on the island have limited fuel and they need to be used for fishing. There is on the other hand a potential for much longer interaction with Gauls |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:07:49 GMT
I understand you think it okay but i feel when you set a date you need to stick to the date, i wanted to discuses the relations Shetland could have with the Roman Republic of 100 BC Now you have change that after 2 pages worth of discussion we end up with a smaller Rome they have to deal with and potential have to pick a side between Rome and Carthage. Stick to 222 BC Sir. I am not going to change that again. Will they get to Rome in time? Sdcond Punic War is around the corner Okay for this time i will allow it, but know it is only because i would like to know which side Shetland will take in the Second Punic War:  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 12:12:14 GMT
Stick to 222 BC Sir. I am not going to change that again. Will they get to Rome in time? Sdcond Punic War is around the corner Okay for this time i will allow it, but know it is only because i would like to know which side Shetland will take in the Second Punic War: There is potential for much longer and fruitful interaction with Gauls. This is what I wanted. How can Shetland take any side? Rome and Carthsge are far away and Shetland has 20k people with 40 pistols and maybe 100 other firearms in private hands which might even be confiscated for the purpose of a self defence militia. Some individuals might have sailboats and may try to sail to Rome but what can they offer? |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:16:11 GMT
Okay for this time i will allow it, but know it is only because i would like to know which side Shetland will take in the Second Punic War: There is potential for much longer and fruitful interaction with Gauls. This is what I wanted. How can Shetland take any side? Rome and Carthsge are far away and Shetland has 20k people with 40 pistols and maybe 100 other firearms in private hands which might even be confiscated for the purpose of a self defence militia. Some individuals might have sailboats and may try to sail to Rome but what can they offer? You forgot the gun shop i mentioned earlier, so there are guns on Shetland atop you mentioned. They can offer the future, if you ever have read the Island in the Sea of Time trilogy by S. M. Stirling you can read what a small island like Nantucket can do and it has 50 % less population then Shetland. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 12:20:30 GMT
There is potential for much longer and fruitful interaction with Gauls. This is what I wanted. How can Shetland take any side? Rome and Carthsge are far away and Shetland has 20k people with 40 pistols and maybe 100 other firearms in private hands which might even be confiscated for the purpose of a self defence militia. Some individuals might have sailboats and may try to sail to Rome but what can they offer? You forgot the gun shop i mentioned earlier, so there are guns on Shetland atop you mentioned. They can offer the future, if you ever have read the Island in the Sea of Time trilogy by S. M. Stirling you can read what a small island like Nantucket can do and it has 50 % less population then Shetland. Still I think even 10 years down the road Shetland is still going to have issues more pressing than the Second Punic War |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:22:50 GMT
You forgot the gun shop i mentioned earlier, so there are guns on Shetland atop you mentioned. They can offer the future, if you ever have read the Island in the Sea of Time trilogy by S. M. Stirling you can read what a small island like Nantucket can do and it has 50 % less population then Shetland. Still I think even 10 years down the road Shetland is still going to have issues more pressing than the Second Punic War In the end they need to deal with one ore two powers in Europe, at the moment before the Second Punic War, Rome and Carthage are those powers, allying themselves with one will help Shetland grow. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 12:24:49 GMT
Still I think even 10 years down the road Shetland is still going to have issues more pressing than the Second Punic War In the end they need to deal with one ore two powers in Europe, at the moment before the Second Punic War, Rome and Carthage are those powers, allying themselves with one will help Shetland grow. It would be good if Shetland has a person who rules the island and sets short and long term strategy It'd also be good if Shetland takes over Britain and Ireland somehow |
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