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Post by kyng on Jan 22, 2022 12:28:58 GMT
Well, whether it's 222BC, or 100BC, or anything else - I think Shetland is going to struggle at first. All the major factories, suppliers and telecommunications companies are based outside the Shetlands - and they'll all vanish suddenly. Even though all of the people's smartphones and other electronic devices will still be physically present, they won't be nearly as useful - and the people of the Shetlands will still be sent into a technological dark age, to which they'll struggle to adapt.
Still, they should be able to recover somewhat. They'll have no trouble generating electricity: they have wind turbines, as well as plenty of oil (which they'll suddenly have all to themselves). And they'll know where to look for coal, metals, and other natural resources. They probably won't want to form a massive empire (and they'd become overextended if they tried to do that anyway), but they'll be willing to fight for control over any reserves of natural resources that they need. And, they'll probably be able to win those fights quite easily.
Eventually, of course, they'll probably run into Rome - but the date when that happens (and the ramifications thereof) will depend heavily on when exactly the ISOT date is.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:29:01 GMT
In the end they need to deal with one ore two powers in Europe, at the moment before the Second Punic War, Rome and Carthage are those powers, allying themselves with one will help Shetland grow. It would be good if Shetland has a person who rules the island and sets short and long term strategy It'd also be good if Shetland takes over Britain and Ireland somehow I mentioned on page 1 that you could have brought the Marquess of Zetland, the current Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland and his famaly brought along. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 12:38:13 GMT
It would be good if Shetland has a person who rules the island and sets short and long term strategy It'd also be good if Shetland takes over Britain and Ireland somehow I mentioned on page 1 that you could have brought the Marquess of Zetland, the current Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland and his famaly brought along. Bring them then.  Major problems for Shetland are dhortage of ammo and shortsge of replacement parts for weapons. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 12:39:05 GMT
I mentioned on page 1 that you could have brought the Marquess of Zetland, the current Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland and his famaly brought along. Bring them then. Major problems for Shetland are dhortage of ammo and shortsge of replacement parts for weapons. Waopons are not going be the main problem, nobody around to invade them, food and energy will be the main issue. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 13:00:20 GMT
Bring them then. Major problems for Shetland are dhortage of ammo and shortsge of replacement parts for weapons. Waopons are not going be the main problem, nobody around to invade them, food and energy will be the main issue. Food not so much. As I said Shetland produces on average 3 tons of fish per year per person. If the fuel runs out, sailboats can be repurposed as fishing vessels and the population will survive on just fish Shortage of wood is going to be a major factor. Wood is required for heating and for building boats/ships |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 13:01:40 GMT
Waopons are not going be the main problem, nobody around to invade them, food and energy will be the main issue. Food not so much. As I said Shetland produces on average 3 tons of fish per year per person. If the fuel runs out, sailboats can be repurposed as fishing vessels. Shortage of wood is going to be a major factor. Wood is required for heating and for building boats/ships Wich they can solve if they build settlements in Scotland. Also i do not think eating only fish as food is healthy in the long run. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 13:06:32 GMT
Food not so much. As I said Shetland produces on average 3 tons of fish per year per person. If the fuel runs out, sailboats can be repurposed as fishing vessels. Shortage of wood is going to be a major factor. Wood is required for heating and for building boats/ships Wich they can solve if they build settlements in Scotland. Also i do not think eating only fish as food is healthy in the long run. Inuit manage it well. One may supplement fish with veggies, meat (one thing Shetland does not lack is grass). Oats and barley probably grow on Shetland too. If anything, fish based diet is probably much healthier than a typical diet of a modern person |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 13:17:58 GMT
Ok. Once the initial decade has passed and the Islands lufe has stabilized, what mode or direction of foreign policy does Shetland take?
Does it actually try to expand? If yes, where? Area in Scotland around Aberdeen is the closest area where agriculture is fully possible
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 13:22:19 GMT
Ok. Once the initial decade has passed and the Islands lufe has stabilized, what mode or direction of foreign policy does Shetland take? Does it actually try to expand? If yes, where? Area in Scotland around Aberdeen is the closest area where agriculture is fully possible Think they will try to settle Scotland for now until their population has grown for more expansion to other places in Europe. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 13:37:40 GMT
Ok. Once the initial decade has passed and the Islands lufe has stabilized, what mode or direction of foreign policy does Shetland take? Does it actually try to expand? If yes, where? Area in Scotland around Aberdeen is the closest area where agriculture is fully possible Think they will try to settle Scotland for now until their population has grown for more expansion to other places in Europe. Do you think the Shetlanders are going to dominate Britain or mix heavily with native population? Britain has likely over 1 mln people already and diseases won't be wiping them out like with Native Americans. Also trade will start within months and there will be a trade network between Britain and Shetland several years before the first settlement is established |
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Post by stevep on Jan 22, 2022 16:39:47 GMT
One other option that hasn't been mentioned,if they find mainland Britain too difficult to get on with is establishing bases on Iceland, which is unpopulated at the moment. However it would probably mean leaving a lot of facilities behind, as well as their homes, but something that could be considered if desperate.
I'm not sure whether there might be major disease issues or not. Over 2,200 years between them so a lot of plagues and pandemics that the Shetlands might have some resistance to that the down-timers won't. At the same time some older versions of some disease might be able to affect the up-timers and their also going to have problems producing things like vaccines for many diseases once their current stockpiles run out.
If they run into either of the two major western Med nations I would say its more likely to be Carthage than Rome as the former has bases in Spain and a trading history which includes contacts with at least parts of Britain while at this stage Rome is only now starting to look beyond the Italian peninsula.
One big advantage their likely to have would be more efficient animal/crop package with more developed horses/cattle/sheep and a much wider range of crops including things like potatoes I would expect which is a huge step up. As well as knowledge of how to design plows suitable for heavy northern fields. As such and provided they avoid major disasters and get good demographic growth - which could be a big issue - you could see them steadily settling northern Scotland and onward. How much they could do without losing their identity or down-time nations catching up enough to be able to compete with them.
Of course there are going to be all sorts of cultural, religious and other issues and as I think lordroel, mentioned the possibility of one or more groups seeking to set themselves off as mercenaries or would be kings, although I suspect their best options might be in northern Europe or even N America rather than the Med. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 16:51:29 GMT
One other option that hasn't been mentioned,if they find mainland Britain too difficult to get on with is establishing bases on Iceland, which is unpopulated at the moment. However it would probably mean leaving a lot of facilities behind, as well as their homes, but something that could be considered if desperate.
I'm not sure whether there might be major disease issues or not. Over 2,200 years between them so a lot of plagues and pandemics that the Shetlands might have some resistance to that the down-timers won't. At the same time some older versions of some disease might be able to affect the up-timers and their also going to have problems producing things like vaccines for many diseases once their current stockpiles run out.
If they run into either of the two major western Med nations I would say its more likely to be Carthage than Rome as the former has bases in Spain and a trading history which includes contacts with at least parts of Britain while at this stage Rome is only now starting to look beyond the Italian peninsula.
One big advantage their likely to have would be more efficient animal/crop package with more developed horses/cattle/sheep and a much wider range of crops including things like potatoes I would expect which is a huge step up. As well as knowledge of how to design plows suitable for heavy northern fields. As such and provided they avoid major disasters and get good demographic growth - which could be a big issue - you could see them steadily settling northern Scotland and onward. How much they could do without losing their identity or down-time nations catching up enough to be able to compete with them.
Of course there are going to be all sorts of cultural, religious and other issues and as I think lordroel, mentioned the possibility of one or more groups seeking to set themselves off as mercenaries or would be kings, although I suspect their best options might be in northern Europe or even N America rather than the Med. Iceland has worse climate than Shetland. It is not suitable for anything except being a fishing station or a stopgap to America. A lot of stuff like high school/university textbooks are going to be very useful. Can Shetland unify Britain? |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 17:09:46 GMT
Can Shetland unify Britain? There is no Britain, only the Shetland Empire. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 22, 2022 18:01:02 GMT
Can Shetland unify Britain? There is no Britain, only the Shetland Empire. Uh... Ok.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2022 19:11:29 GMT
There is no Britain, only the Shetland Empire. Uh... Ok.  It was a joke. Looking at the graphic, the Shetland population has sins 1801 has to present 2022 has hoverd around 20,000 +, so if they want to expand, the need to grow in population: 1801, 22,379. 1811, 22,379. 1821, 22,915. 1831, 26,145. 1841, 29,392. 1851, 30,558. 1861, 31,078. 1871, 31,670. 1881, 29,705. 1891, 29,705. 1911, 27,911. 1921, 27,911. 1931, 25,520. 1941, 21,421. 1951, 19,352. 1961, 19,352. 1971, 17,812. 1981, 17,335. 1991, 22,053. 2001, 22,567. 2011, 23,167. |
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