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Post by Zyobot on Nov 11, 2019 22:41:10 GMT
‘JFK Resurrected At Funeral’. As a zombie. Nah; I was thinking in a healthy, physically restored and revitalized condition. Probably a marked improvement from the rather afflicted Kennedy that needed meds, a back brace and other medical accommodations to live. |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 12, 2019 4:15:42 GMT
Nah; I was thinking in a healthy, physically restored and revitalized condition. Probably a marked improvement from the rather afflicted Kennedy that needed meds, a back brace and other medical accommodations to live. He is going to end up a test subject as he is legally death for more than 50 years. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 12, 2019 10:33:13 GMT
Nah; I was thinking in a healthy, physically restored and revitalized condition. Probably a marked improvement from the rather afflicted Kennedy that needed meds, a back brace and other medical accommodations to live. He is going to end up a test subject as he is legally death for more than 50 years.
Not for 50 years as I read it as at his funeral. However it is going to be an interesting test case as his formally been certified dead and Johnson has been recognised as the new President. Also given how religious many in the US are that's going to play a part, with some seeing it as a miraculous intervention by God and others probably suggesting its an act of Satan, largely depending on their political stances I suspect.
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Post by Zyobot on Nov 12, 2019 17:34:42 GMT
Nah; I was thinking in a healthy, physically restored and revitalized condition. Probably a marked improvement from the rather afflicted Kennedy that needed meds, a back brace and other medical accommodations to live. He is going to end up a test subject as he is legally death for more than 50 years. If he were to reawaken in 2019 or thereabouts, yes. However, the idea is that JFK comes back to life right at his funeral on November 25th, 1963 (I think). As was pointed out by stevep in his post just above mine, the then-religious public will probably be divided as to whether they think that God or the Devil is responsible for their former President returning from the dead. And LBJ is POTUS now, so there’s that. What will happen to Kennedy himself now that he’s been resurrected and has returned to the public eye for obvious reasons, I don’t know. But I doubt that government agencies causing him to “disappear” shortly after and subjecting him to experimentation at Area 51 or someplace would be an option. |
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Post by Zyobot on Nov 14, 2019 16:11:47 GMT
'2020 White House To 1920'. To spare its occupants the trouble (yes, even including the current POTUS), they don’t come along for the ride—just the building.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 14, 2019 16:20:15 GMT
'2020 White House To 1920'. To spare its occupants the trouble (yes, even including the current POTUS), they don’t come along for the ride—just the building. Also what is underneath the building, and have the 1920 people access to it. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 15, 2019 11:27:29 GMT
'2020 White House To 1920'. To spare its occupants the trouble (yes, even including the current POTUS), they don’t come along for the ride—just the building.
Well I assume there will be a lot of strange portraits that will have the down-timers puzzled. Not sure if they will be able to make sense of any of the electronic equipment and things like flat screen TVs will be totally beyond them as well as no stations to pick up. However there will be a lot of paperwork and some historical stuff that can tell them a lot, but also keep them bemused about a lot of things.
What dates in 2020 and 1920? Would it be before or after the election that year as that would make a difference. [Albeit that the new President wouldn't take over until March 21 so Wilson would still be technically President even after the election.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 15, 2019 11:31:06 GMT
'2020 White House To 1920'. To spare its occupants the trouble (yes, even including the current POTUS), they don’t come along for the ride—just the building. Well I assume there will be a lot of strange portraits that will have the down-timers puzzled. Not sure if they will be able to make sense of any of the electronic equipment and things like flat screen TVs will be totally beyond them as well as no stations to pick up. However there will be a lot of paperwork and some historical stuff that can tell them a lot, but also keep them bemused about a lot of things.
What dates in 2020 and 1920? Would it be before or after the election that year as that would make a difference. [Albeit that the new President wouldn't take over until March 21 so Wilson would still be technically President even after the election.
But Wilson would be no longer be alive as he was living in the 1920 White House wich has now be replaced, the VP is now achting president. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 15, 2019 11:41:57 GMT
Well I assume there will be a lot of strange portraits that will have the down-timers puzzled. Not sure if they will be able to make sense of any of the electronic equipment and things like flat screen TVs will be totally beyond them as well as no stations to pick up. However there will be a lot of paperwork and some historical stuff that can tell them a lot, but also keep them bemused about a lot of things.
What dates in 2020 and 1920? Would it be before or after the election that year as that would make a difference. [Albeit that the new President wouldn't take over until March 21 so Wilson would still be technically President even after the election.
But Wilson would be no longer be alive as he was living in the 1920 White House wich has now be replaced, the VP is now achting president.
Good point, unless he was outside the White House at that point. The disappearence of the current President would cause further confusion and uncertainty. If its before the election, as otherwise he would be rather a lame duck, Thomas_R._Marshall, would become President, at least until the November elections. This could be significant as after Wilson's stroke left him largely incapacitated the hostility towards Marshall by Wilson's wife and advisors sought to keep Marshall "uninformed about the president's condition to prevent him from assuming presidential powers and duties". A fair number of the government officials urged Marshall to take over and become the acting President but he refused, not wishing to set a prescient. In this case, if Wilson and probably also his wife have disappeared, then he would be forced into a more active role. The resultant Presidential inaction OTL was a factor in Wilson's opponents prevent US acceptance of the League of Nations, although I'm doubtful, given the flaws in that organisation, whether the US joining would have made a major difference. However Marshall might have produced some significant results and if early enough in the year he might have ended up at Democratic Presidential candidate although the republicans would likely still have won. |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 15, 2019 11:43:40 GMT
But Wilson would be no longer be alive as he was living in the 1920 White House wich has now be replaced, the VP is now achting president. Good point, unless he was outside the White House at that point. The disappearence of the current President would cause further confusion and uncertainty. If its before the election, as otherwise he would be rather a lame duck, Thomas_R._Marshall, would become President, at least until the November elections. This could be significant as after Wilson's stroke left him largely incapacitated the hostility towards Marshall by Wilson's wife and advisors sought to keep Marshall "uninformed about the president's condition to prevent him from assuming presidential powers and duties". A fair number of the government officials urged Marshall to take over and become the acting President but he refused, not wishing to set a prescient. In this case, if Wilson and probably also his wife have disappeared, then he would be forced into a more active role. The resultant Presidential inaction OTL was a factor in Wilson's opponents prevent US acceptance of the League of Nations, although I'm doubtful, given the flaws in that organisation, whether the US joining would have made a major difference. However Marshall might have produced some significant results and if early enough in the year he might have ended up at Democratic Presidential candidate although the republicans would likely still have won. Was Wilson not in 1920 already sick, ore am I wrong. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 15, 2019 13:10:29 GMT
Good point, unless he was outside the White House at that point. The disappearence of the current President would cause further confusion and uncertainty. If its before the election, as otherwise he would be rather a lame duck, Thomas_R._Marshall, would become President, at least until the November elections. This could be significant as after Wilson's stroke left him largely incapacitated the hostility towards Marshall by Wilson's wife and advisors sought to keep Marshall "uninformed about the president's condition to prevent him from assuming presidential powers and duties". A fair number of the government officials urged Marshall to take over and become the acting President but he refused, not wishing to set a precedent. In this case, if Wilson and probably also his wife have disappeared, then he would be forced into a more active role. The resultant Presidential inaction OTL was a factor in Wilson's opponents prevent US acceptance of the League of Nations, although I'm doubtful, given the flaws in that organisation, whether the US joining would have made a major difference. However Marshall might have produced some significant results and if early enough in the year he might have ended up at Democratic Presidential candidate although the republicans would likely still have won. Was Wilson not in 1920 already sick, ore am I wrong.
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That was my point. OTL possibly in part because he knew he was being opposed by Mrs Wilson and assorted officials and also had only a limited time before the next election he didn't press the issue. If Wilson actually disappeared then he would be forced into a more active role.
Or do you mean that being sick he might not be in the White House at this point? Looking at his wiki entry it does sound like he was there during this period. He was seriously affected by a stroke and left partially parlaysed and his immediate entourage sought to hide his problems so they keep him out of public contact as much as possible, which does suggest he would have been in the White House.
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Post by Zyobot on Nov 16, 2019 21:54:56 GMT
Since Lordroel directed me to share it here, '1989 Ronald Reagan SI To 1953 Dwight Eisenhower'.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 17, 2019 9:14:08 GMT
Since Lordroel directed me to share it here, '1989 Ronald Reagan SI To 1953 Dwight Eisenhower'. Wonder how the Cold War will end up looking now. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 17, 2019 11:15:16 GMT
Since Lordroel directed me to share it here, '1989 Ronald Reagan SI To 1953 Dwight Eisenhower'.
Well if its when Eisenhower takes over the Presidency then the Korean war is still ongoing but I suspect that Reagan would still agree to its ending as OTL. Apart from anything else the country seems to have been fed up with it so even if he tried to push for victory - and Eisenhower had campaigned on ending the war - he's only one figure in the government albeit initially a popular one. Not sure how well the two personalities would have mixed as Reagan seems much more one for dramatic gestures while Eisenhower's image is of quiet efficiency.
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Post by Zyobot on Nov 17, 2019 19:10:42 GMT
Since Lordroel directed me to share it here, '1989 Ronald Reagan SI To 1953 Dwight Eisenhower'.
Well if its when Eisenhower takes over the Presidency then the Korean war is still ongoing but I suspect that Reagan would still agree to its ending as OTL. Apart from anything else the country seems to have been fed up with it so even if he tried to push for victory - and Eisenhower had campaigned on ending the war - he's only one figure in the government albeit initially a popular one. Not sure how well the two personalities would have mixed as Reagan seems much more one for dramatic gestures while Eisenhower's image is of quiet efficiency.
Mm'kay. Though I don't know much about Reagan's personal life, I'd guess that he'd have been more knowledgeable about what was going on at the time than most people, namely behind closed doors. I'm unsure how well he'd impersonate Eisenhower in the short term, though people will probably pick up on their POTUS acting differently as time goes on. Maybe they'd attribute his newly developed quirks to the stress of the presidency or what have you. Speaking of which, his new body's health will be another issue (with Ike's heart attack that would've happened two years from 1953 and all). Apart from the individual struggle of being reborn into Eisenhower's body that Gipper would face, though, there's also how he'd govern in the long haul and how that effects world politics going forwards. Would he take more proactive measures when it comes to combating communism throughout the world than OTL Ike would've, or seek to usher in the supposed deregulation of the late 20th (and early 21st) Century a few decades earlier? |
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