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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2020 11:20:30 GMT
Nice one, Lordroel. Also, ‘2020 Jeb Bush To 2000 George W. Bush’. So will younger brother do better than older brother in his body.
Well apart from seeming somewhat smarter he has 20 years of extra knowledge to work with. [Assuming here the switch is after his 2000 election victory]. Even if he can't avoid the 2001 attacks he should be smart enough to concentrate on Afghanistan and bin-Laden rather than being distracted by crushing Saddam. Won't necessarily be better for the Iraqis but could leave the rest of the region somewhat more stable.
He should also know enough to act more quickly on Hurricane Katrina and hopefully possibly use it and other data for pushing a bit on dealing with climate change. Although that would upset a number of vested interest important in the Republican party/right wing in the US.
Ditto he might not be able to avoid the 2008 crash unless he can get half way decent regulation passed Congress for better control of toxic loaning but might be able to mitigate it a bit and make a better recovery.
Of course doing such moves could cause tensions with the hard right of the party so apart from problems getting such policies through he might also split the party. However less of George junior's errors might well reduce the drive for reform and change that brought Obama into power in 2009 so things could change there as well.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2020 11:37:23 GMT
So will younger brother do better than older brother in his body. Well apart from seeming somewhat smarter he has 20 years of extra knowledge to work with. [Assuming here the switch is after his 2000 election victory]. Even if he can't avoid the 2001 attacks he should be smart enough to concentrate on Afghanistan and bin-Laden rather than being distracted by crushing Saddam. Won't necessarily be better for the Iraqis but could leave the rest of the region somewhat more stable.
He should also know enough to act more quickly on Hurricane Katrina and hopefully possibly use it and other data for pushing a bit on dealing with climate change. Although that would upset a number of vested interest important in the Republican party/right wing in the US. Ditto he might not be able to avoid the 2008 crash unless he can get half way decent regulation passed Congress for better control of toxic loaning but might be able to mitigate it a bit and make a better recovery.
Of course doing such moves could cause tensions with the hard right of the party so apart from problems getting such policies through he might also split the party. However less of George junior's errors might well reduce the drive for reform and change that brought Obama into power in 2009 so things could change there as well.
Well the first thing he will do is order some Tomahawks strikes against several targets in Afghanistan, he can claim it is due advance intelligence for a upcoming attack against the United States of America. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2020 12:13:31 GMT
Well apart from seeming somewhat smarter he has 20 years of extra knowledge to work with. [Assuming here the switch is after his 2000 election victory]. Even if he can't avoid the 2001 attacks he should be smart enough to concentrate on Afghanistan and bin-Laden rather than being distracted by crushing Saddam. Won't necessarily be better for the Iraqis but could leave the rest of the region somewhat more stable.
He should also know enough to act more quickly on Hurricane Katrina and hopefully possibly use it and other data for pushing a bit on dealing with climate change. Although that would upset a number of vested interest important in the Republican party/right wing in the US. Ditto he might not be able to avoid the 2008 crash unless he can get half way decent regulation passed Congress for better control of toxic loaning but might be able to mitigate it a bit and make a better recovery.
Of course doing such moves could cause tensions with the hard right of the party so apart from problems getting such policies through he might also split the party. However less of George junior's errors might well reduce the drive for reform and change that brought Obama into power in 2009 so things could change there as well.
Well the first thing he will do is order some Tomahawks strikes against several targets in Afghanistan, he can claim it is due advance intelligence for a upcoming attack against the United States of America.
Can he really? What happens when congress and others question such actions and assorted intelligence officials called to report to Congress tell it they know nothing about such information? The US apart from after an attack or perceived threat is generally unwilling to start a war - or at least a lot of the Congress often is unless something has stirred them up so there are fairly tight restrictions on a President taking military actions without a perceived good cause. The Taliban were abusing a lot of people in Afghanistan but then there were a lot of brutal regimes around the world.
Given that bin Laden had been behind a number of attacks on the west there is a good chance that Bush could demand a closer watch on him and his organisation but its unlikely that Congress would approve a quick attempt to take him out. There was international support for the operation to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan but that was after the 2001 attacks and the Taliban's continued support of him. Such a tighter watch might, possibly with a little careful nudging from Jeb, result in the planned attacks being discovered and prevented, which would have saved a lot of lives and then given an excuse for action in Afghanistan but I'm doubtful how much he could do before that without some clear evidence. The key point however would be to restrict such a conflict to Afghanistan and hopefully also avoid the mistakes afterwards which enabled the Taliban to re-establish themselves and avoid spreading it wider.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2020 12:18:21 GMT
Well the first thing he will do is order some Tomahawks strikes against several targets in Afghanistan, he can claim it is due advance intelligence for a upcoming attack against the United States of America. Can he really? What happens when congress and others question such actions and assorted intelligence officials called to report to Congress tell it they know nothing about such information? The US apart from after an attack or perceived threat is generally unwilling to start a war - or at least a lot of the Congress often is unless something has stirred them up so there are fairly tight restrictions on a President taking military actions without a perceived good cause. The Taliban were abusing a lot of people in Afghanistan but then there were a lot of brutal regimes around the world. Given that bin Laden had been behind a number of attacks on the west there is a good chance that Bush could demand a closer watch on him and his organisation but its unlikely that Congress would approve a quick attempt to take him out. There was international support for the operation to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan but that was after the 2001 attacks and the Taliban's continued support of him. Such a tighter watch might, possibly with a little careful nudging from Jeb, result in the planned attacks being discovered and prevented, which would have saved a lot of lives and then given an excuse for action in Afghanistan but I'm doubtful how much he could do before that without some clear evidence. The key point however would be to restrict such a conflict to Afghanistan and hopefully also avoid the mistakes afterwards which enabled the Taliban to re-establish themselves and avoid spreading it wider.
Bill Clinton did strike both Sudan and Afghanistan after the 1st World trade Center attack in Operation Infinite Reach, If younger bush in his older brother body orders to FBI/CIA to investigate i think they will find something. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2020 13:34:04 GMT
Can he really? What happens when congress and others question such actions and assorted intelligence officials called to report to Congress tell it they know nothing about such information? The US apart from after an attack or perceived threat is generally unwilling to start a war - or at least a lot of the Congress often is unless something has stirred them up so there are fairly tight restrictions on a President taking military actions without a perceived good cause. The Taliban were abusing a lot of people in Afghanistan but then there were a lot of brutal regimes around the world. Given that bin Laden had been behind a number of attacks on the west there is a good chance that Bush could demand a closer watch on him and his organisation but its unlikely that Congress would approve a quick attempt to take him out. There was international support for the operation to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan but that was after the 2001 attacks and the Taliban's continued support of him. Such a tighter watch might, possibly with a little careful nudging from Jeb, result in the planned attacks being discovered and prevented, which would have saved a lot of lives and then given an excuse for action in Afghanistan but I'm doubtful how much he could do before that without some clear evidence. The key point however would be to restrict such a conflict to Afghanistan and hopefully also avoid the mistakes afterwards which enabled the Taliban to re-establish themselves and avoid spreading it wider.
Bill Clinton did strike both Sudan and Afghanistan after the 1st World trade Center attack in Operation Infinite Reach, If younger bush in his older brother body orders to FBI/CIA to investigate i think they will find something.
Definitely agree there. Asking the assorted intel bodies to investigate a bit and they might well find something out. It was sounding like you were suggesting he straight out orders an attack without any source for his feeling that bin Laden and his people had to be hit which I think would be more difficult for him to justify.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2020 15:02:13 GMT
What if lawyers and prosecutors at the moment they take a case and until the case is close can only speak the truth about matter ore about that case.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 17, 2020 15:46:37 GMT
What if lawyers and prosecutors at the moment they take a case and until the case is close can only speak the truth about matter ore about that case. Does this mean that they can’t omit details when prodded, even though omission technically isn’t lying (though it can, admittedly, be a form of deceit)? |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2020 15:51:10 GMT
What if lawyers and prosecutors at the moment they take a case and until the case is close can only speak the truth about matter ore about that case. Does this mean that they can’t omit details when prodded, even though omission technically isn’t lying (though it can, admittedly, be a form of deceit)? No, they can only speak the truth, so if judge ask them if they have left details behind, they can only speak the truth. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 17, 2020 17:01:55 GMT
Does this mean that they can’t omit details when prodded, even though omission technically isn’t lying (though it can, admittedly, be a form of deceit)? No, they can only speak the truth, so if judge ask them if they have left details behind, they can only speak the truth. Uh-huh. Well, I suppose that attorney-client privilege has become meaningless, then. Unless laws are passed that prohibit judges from asking those sorts of questions, that is. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2020 17:12:08 GMT
No, they can only speak the truth, so if judge ask them if they have left details behind, they can only speak the truth. Uh-huh. Well, I suppose that attorney-client privilege has become meaningless, then. Unless laws are passed that prohibit judges from asking those sorts of questions, that is. But judges not do that asking questions ore do they only judge and remain silent. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 19, 2020 22:53:19 GMT
Uh-huh. Well, I suppose that attorney-client privilege has become meaningless, then. Unless laws are passed that prohibit judges from asking those sorts of questions, that is. But judges not do that asking questions ore do they only judge and remain silent. Well, I suppose it's more of the other side's lawyer interrogating the parties involved, though the judge might decide to pipe up from time to time if there's something on their mind that no one else has brought up (or is unlikely to bring up later). |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 20, 2020 4:39:21 GMT
What if meat taste like random vegetables and vegetables taste like random meat.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 20, 2020 14:36:12 GMT
What if meat taste like random vegetables and vegetables taste like random meat. So, flavors don’t stay consistent (i.e. ham tastes like potatoes one moment, and then carrots the next)? |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 20, 2020 14:52:43 GMT
What if meat taste like random vegetables and vegetables taste like random meat. So, flavors don’t stay consistent (i.e. ham tastes like potatoes one moment, and then carrots the next)? Yep, that is right, very fun for those who are vegetarians. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 20, 2020 14:56:09 GMT
So, flavors don’t stay consistent (i.e. ham tastes like potatoes one moment, and then carrots the next)? Yep, that is right, very fun for those who are vegetarians. ...Uh-huh. Somehow, I’m on the fence as to whether meat-lovers can say the same in this scenario. |
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