The ISOT thread

[Otto Kretschmer]

The Pirate Republic (Nassau, Bahamas) from 1715 ISOT to 715 AD.

The population is approx 1,000 well armed men. How can the pirates find a sizeable number of women in order to kickstart a proper society? How would that society look like?

stevep, 575?

[Otto Kretschmer]

January 1980 Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Albania, Romania and Bulgaria ISOT to January 1938.

[Otto Kretschmer]

Arabia from 633 AD (right after the end of Ridda wars) ISOT to 336 BC.

How does having to fight Alexander and Muslims at the same time impact the Achaemenids?



I can't but think that it'll crumble like a house of cards.

Any chances for a confrontation between Alexander and Khalid Ibn Al Walid?

[Otto Kretschmer]

Ireland from January 1 2020 to January 1 1066.

Does Ireland become engaged in English politics, if yes, how? Do the invasions of William and Harald still happen? While the Irish army is very small, it's extremely high tech compared to anything of 1066 and even a single platoon can cause a lot of mess wherever it shows up.

What does Ireland do with the New World?

stevep

[Otto Kretschmer]

England from 1560 AD (the third year of Elizabeth Is rule) ISOT to 560 AD.

How does Elizabethan England influence the Dark Ages Europe and the world in general?

It obviously colonizes the Americas, both north and south... which means there is an influx of a shitton of gold into England. How does it influence English and European economy?

[Otto Kretschmer]

South Africa from 1978 (first year of P. W. Botha's rule) to 3000 BC.

What happens to the country and it's Apartheid government once the country loses all contact with the modern world? With no external pressure to abolish it, does the Apartheid last longer or end violently sooner or at the same time?

[Zyobot]

‘Carthage To Indian Ocean In 218 BC’.

It shows up right under southern India, putting Sub-Saharan Africa to its west and Australia and Indonesia to its east.

[Otto Kretschmer]

May 4, 2024 23:00:00 GMT Zyobot said:

‘Carthage To Indian Ocean In 218 BC’.

It shows up right under southern India, putting Sub-Saharan Africa to its west and Australia and Indonesia to its east.

The Malaya get a significant tech boost thanks to trade with Carthage. The Carthage also discovers and likely colonizes Australia.

[Otto Kretschmer]

East Prussia from 1740 (1st year of the rule of Frederick the Great) ISOT to 8 AD.

Frederick with his government relocate to Königsberg.

Frederick has the best army in Europe at the time and he'll surely conquer a lot of Germanic tribes which are weak and disunited.

How do you guys expect his campaign against Rome to go once he meets the Romans?

[Otto Kretschmer]

2021 Vietnam ISOT to 7 July 1937, the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War.

France is going to be very unhappy with the loss of it's colony... But whom will Vietnam with it's 600,000 strong army support and how?

stevep

[Zyobot]

May 5, 2024 9:43:43 GMT Otto Kretschmer said:

May 4, 2024 23:00:00 GMT Zyobot said:

‘Carthage To Indian Ocean In 218 BC’.

It shows up right under southern India, putting Sub-Saharan Africa to its west and Australia and Indonesia to its east.

The Malaya get a significant tech boost thanks to trade with Carthage. The Carthage also discovers and likely colonizes Australia.

Carthage is also saved from the Second and Third Punic Wars (much less its final destruction at the hands of the Romans, LOL).

Of course, I suppose Hannibal doesn’t get his moment of glory, either, though what he might do IATL eludes me. Maybe he’ll lead exploratory forays and create trade opportunities instead?

As far as trade goes, be fun if Carthage did business with the Tamil kingdoms in southern India. An especially wealthy and mercantile lot, those Tamils, so if nothing else, I suppose my ATL fantasy of Carthage and Tamilakam becoming BFFs should finally come true.

[Zyobot]

‘2020 South Korea To 1950’.

Let’s see how the Korean War goes this time, LOL.

[Otto Kretschmer]

May 7, 2024 20:43:31 GMT Zyobot said:

‘2020 South Korea To 1950’.

Let’s see how the Korean War goes this time, LOL.

ROK army pulverizes the KPA. South Korean troops might be in Pyongyang in a week or less.

This scenario is also interesting due to the impact that South Korea will have on the wider Cold War - the west has just gained an ally that is 70 years ahead technologically and all that tech (both civilian and military) is going to percolate to the west.

It's also worth considering how the Eastern Bloc is going to react to the news of it's own demise.

[stevep]

May 7, 2024 20:43:31 GMT Zyobot said:

‘2020 South Korea To 1950’.

Let’s see how the Korean War goes this time, LOL.

  As well as the points Otto mentioned there would be the US forces present and a fair number of foreigners from other countries.  Coupled with the modern technology available in S Korea and also things like ships in harbour your going to get a big tech boost, although there might be some drop inside S Korea itself in the short term as it might not be able to produce everything it needs to maintain its current technology.  Also its going to be hit by a lot of lost trade until the rest of the world can start using most of its products.  [The lack of container ports and related systems outside the country and the sheer size of modern ships will probably make them impractical for exports.

  Its likely that having withstood the initial attack the S Koreans will strike north and the US might go with them.  However knowing the historical result of this, with Chinese intervention backed by Soviet equipment and 'volunteers and becoming aware of their limited logistical support its possible that they might not seek to drive right up to the Yalu river.  Given the different nature of the war you might not see the US united against the communists and also whether Truman would fully support such action when he hears from up-time Americans.  However I think that if Seoul wanted to push north Truman would support them.

  As well as news of the fall of the USSR and its empire impacting on the former its also likely that there would be big impacts on what Stalin does.  Very much doubt Khrushchev would live very long and suspect there could be a more general purge with who knows what effects.  After Stalin's death knowledge of what 'happened in the future' could prompt more reform or further reaction as hard liners argue that the USSR fell because it become too tolerant of opposition.  There are also likely to be some reactions in China to what people hear about the future.  Again this could see people who lead reforms after Mao's death suffering a nasty fate although its possible that you could see a coup attempt against Mao.  However given the cult of personality he had already started and the crisis of a successful western victory in the Korean war - at least against the N Koreans - I suspect that would be unlikely to happen.

  There are going to be big impacts around the world, including in the west.  Even the most liberal people are going to be surprised about the world of 2024, or at least the western part of it with the levels of sexual, religious and racial equality and again its likely to cause a back-lash in many areas, at least in the short term.  Also issues like pollution and climate change, levels of crime, the collapse of manufacturing in much of the western world and other changes.  The importance of computing and how fundamental they would be to the coming world in so many way.  Many will be surprised that in less than two decades the US reaches the moon and equally surprised that afterwards they withdraw back to low Earth orbit.

  If the Korean war is a lot shorter than that's also going to have some impacts around the world.  Its likely to at least delay the development of Japan as a great industrial power while others might be helped without the military spending. 

  Many other cans of worms being opened as well.

[Otto Kretschmer]

1828 Australia ISOT to 500 BC

Non indigenous population is 58,000. Indigenous is... dunno how many

How is this small population going to develop in the coming centuries? By that time the colony has been around for 30 years and it should have the skillset needed to survive on it's own.

stevep, Zyobot