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Post by diamondstorm on Oct 15, 2024 15:55:20 GMT
WI: The Arabs win the War of 1948? What happens to Judaism itself (not the Jewish people) in this scenario? There would still be "next year in Jerusalem". I think that the double tragedy of the Holocaust and a loss in the war of 1948 would’ve been unprecedentedly devastating. I think more than that would have changed but not really sure how. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 15, 2024 15:57:51 GMT
I haven’t really read it before so other than the mass atrocities against the Jews the synopsis doesn’t really give much away. And I was more so referring to the Jewish faith itself rather than the Jewish people. Think the faith will survive wit ore without thier own homeland. |
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Post by diamondstorm on Oct 15, 2024 17:13:59 GMT
I haven’t really read it before so other than the mass atrocities against the Jews the synopsis doesn’t really give much away. And I was more so referring to the Jewish faith itself rather than the Jewish people. Think the faith will survive wit ore without thier own homeland. I think it would too to some extent but how do the back-to-back tragedies of the Holocaust and the loss in the War of 1948 impact the religion itself? |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 15, 2024 17:21:26 GMT
Think the faith will survive wit ore without thier own homeland. I think it would too to some extent but how do the back-to-back tragedies of the Holocaust and the loss in the War of 1948 impact the religion itself? It will have a major impact but the religion is thousands year old, it will overcome. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 15, 2024 22:13:54 GMT
Zionism might be dead, though.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 15, 2024 22:25:37 GMT
WI: The Arabs win the War of 1948? What happens to Judaism itself (not the Jewish people) in this scenario? Same thing as in this book i think ( If Israel Lost the War), they try again. Thanks for mentioning! The WP article also mentions a satirical short story ("How we lost the World's Sympathy") by Ephraim Kishon, one of my favorite authors. Totally forgot about this one, despite the fact that it must've been the first AH story I ever read (although I didn't know the term at that time).
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 19, 2024 0:36:18 GMT
From the WP page for Anthony Eden: "He was considered for various other major jobs during and after the war, including Commander-in-Chief Middle East in 1942 (which would have been a very unusual appointment as Eden was a civilian), Viceroy of India in 1943 or Secretary-General of the newly formed United Nations Organisation in 1945."
WI either had happened?
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Post by stevep on Oct 19, 2024 11:31:28 GMT
From the WP page for Anthony Eden: "He was considered for various other major jobs during and after the war, including Commander-in-Chief Middle East in 1942 (which would have been a very unusual appointment as Eden was a civilian), Viceroy of India in 1943 or Secretary-General of the newly formed United Nations Organisation in 1945." WI either had happened?
Agree on the 1st being odd and unlikely. On the other two. a) That could be interesting. If he stays there until independence - which could have impacts on his political career in the UK and also might require a Labour government elected in 45 to keep a Tory politician in place - then him instead of Mountbatten could be an interesting contrast. I doubt you could avoid much of the OTL massacres given the deep seated hostility and mistrust between the two faiths but might mitigate it a bit or make things worse if say he tried to have the military intervene to prevent massacres and it becomes highly unstable.
b) No idea how that might have gone.
It could be that either post, especially possibly the latter if he's there several years could prevent a further career in the Tory party which would mean someone else replacing Churchill as leader. Obviously assuming you still have the Egyptians seizing the canal in 1956 we would wonder how the western reaction might differ?
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Post by lordroel on Oct 19, 2024 11:34:11 GMT
From the WP page for Anthony Eden: "He was considered for various other major jobs during and after the war, including Commander-in-Chief Middle East in 1942 (which would have been a very unusual appointment as Eden was a civilian), Viceroy of India in 1943 or Secretary-General of the newly formed United Nations Organisation in 1945." WI either had happened? Agree on the 1st being odd and unlikely. On the other two. a) That could be interesting. If he stays there until independence - which could have impacts on his political career in the UK and also might require a Labour government elected in 45 to keep a Tory politician in place - then him instead of Mountbatten could be an interesting contrast. I doubt you could avoid much of the OTL massacres given the deep seated hostility and mistrust between the two faiths but might mitigate it a bit or make things worse if say he tried to have the military intervene to prevent massacres and it becomes highly unstable. b) No idea how that might have gone.
It could be that either post, especially possibly the latter if he's there several years could prevent a further career in the Tory party which would mean someone else replacing Churchill as leader. Obviously assuming you still have the Egyptians seizing the canal in 1956 we would wonder how the western reaction might differ?
Does the King not have the power to make a civilian a high ranking officer. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 19, 2024 15:36:04 GMT
Agree on the 1st being odd and unlikely. On the other two. a) That could be interesting. If he stays there until independence - which could have impacts on his political career in the UK and also might require a Labour government elected in 45 to keep a Tory politician in place - then him instead of Mountbatten could be an interesting contrast. I doubt you could avoid much of the OTL massacres given the deep seated hostility and mistrust between the two faiths but might mitigate it a bit or make things worse if say he tried to have the military intervene to prevent massacres and it becomes highly unstable. b) No idea how that might have gone.
It could be that either post, especially possibly the latter if he's there several years could prevent a further career in the Tory party which would mean someone else replacing Churchill as leader. Obviously assuming you still have the Egyptians seizing the canal in 1956 we would wonder how the western reaction might differ?
Does the King not have the power to make a civilian a high ranking officer. He does (I guess), but the soldiers and officers having to serve under him may not accept him.
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Post by stevep on Oct 19, 2024 19:49:47 GMT
Agree on the 1st being odd and unlikely. On the other two. a) That could be interesting. If he stays there until independence - which could have impacts on his political career in the UK and also might require a Labour government elected in 45 to keep a Tory politician in place - then him instead of Mountbatten could be an interesting contrast. I doubt you could avoid much of the OTL massacres given the deep seated hostility and mistrust between the two faiths but might mitigate it a bit or make things worse if say he tried to have the military intervene to prevent massacres and it becomes highly unstable. b) No idea how that might have gone.
It could be that either post, especially possibly the latter if he's there several years could prevent a further career in the Tory party which would mean someone else replacing Churchill as leader. Obviously assuming you still have the Egyptians seizing the canal in 1956 we would wonder how the western reaction might differ?
Does the King not have the power to make a civilian a high ranking officer.
Probably but just because you can do something it wouldn't necessarily make it a good idea. In the middle of a war in which your struggling putting a civilian into the top military role in an important theater could be a risky operation.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 23, 2024 22:06:14 GMT
WI Nazi Germany had pressured Franco during the Spanish Civil War into allowing them to build a submarine base on a Canary island?
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Post by stevep on Oct 24, 2024 8:30:35 GMT
WI Nazi Germany had pressured Franco during the Spanish Civil War into allowing them to build a submarine base on a Canary island?
If the allies find out about it then they would invade. If not and the Germans can supply the base it would be a useful addition for them.
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Post by Max Sinister on Oct 30, 2024 3:13:27 GMT
WI the French has crossed the border in 1870 earlier?
Moltke sr. had stated that if the French had crossed the Rhine before July 25th, the Germans would have had to beat them there; if they crossed the border before August 1st, they'd be able to fight them on the left bank; and if they waited until August 4th, the Germans would cross the border first. The latter happened. But what if the French had been faster?
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Post by Max Sinister on Nov 9, 2024 22:59:58 GMT
You may remember Ralph Nader as the man who ran for the US Greens as their presidential candidate. But he got famous some decades earlier when he fought for safety belts in cars and got death threats from Big Auto in return. Now he is a very humble man who didn't like to brag about it. But WI Nader had pointed out that he saved ten thousands of human lives? There are not many candidates who can say that about themselves.
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