Denmark of 9 April 1940 ISOT to 1 February 1864.

[lordroel]

Feb 10, 2023 18:04:58 GMT 575 said:

Springeren

Lillebælt Minebarrage 0500 AM 9 April 1940/ 1 February 1864:
In Lillebælt at the north of the barrage the old Torpedoboat Springeren was ordered to go down the channel of the barrage and search out the German Navy Boats hailed down there yesterday.
Having come through the channel the Springeren headed south as no German boats were in sight down to a place near the Pøls Reef where the day before three large German ships and 3-4 Trawlers had been spotted.
Nothing to be seen there too.

Going further south avoiding the reef and shallow waters the Springeren came upon a Danish sailing ship and hailed it; it was carrying munitions and supply for 2. General Command at Flensburg of Jutland and Slesvig-Holsten.
The Commander of Springeren was flappergasted at the information – there was no Danish Commands south of the border since 1864 to which the Captain of the sailing ship said ”but it is 1864; 1 February!”
”If so why are You carrying that much ammunition? Won't the Army be wanting it soon?”
”Well the General Command ordered the ammunition loaded so it won't fall into German hands should the Army have to retreat out of Slesvig.”
”Hmm, well sounds a precaution well made – where are the Navy?”
”Down south at Slie (Schleswig Fiord) and further on watching the coast for advance of the Germans.”
”With the logical being Eckernförde Fiord the mainroad passing close to shore..”
”You said so Lieutenant (Royal Danish Navy eq. RN Midshipman, USN Ensign) – not me.”

The Lieutenant of Springeren ordered his ship south thinking about the History teachings at Navy Academy – 1849 1. Schleswig War the Eckernförde Affair where a Danish Ship of the Line and a Frigate had been sunk and captured by the then Insurgents.
What had been the dispositions of 1864? The most modern Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare commanded by Lieutenant Kraft and Steam Corvet Thor commanded by Lieutenant Hedemann observing the coast for enemy movement to the North.
If he went that far he'd know the Skipper of the ammunition ship was talking true – he ordered the radiooperator to inform Kommandør (RN/USN Captain) Evers at the Lillebaelt Barrage ”Have sighted no German ships to the south of the Barrage nor at Pøl's Reef and will continue southeast to continue searching. Present position south of Broager Land (Als).”
Shortly following a message from Kommandør Evers, Frigate Ingolf: ”Acknowledged – stay clear of German territorial waters. Evers.”
The Lieutenant thought to himself – like hell I will. This is too intrigueing.

The Lillebaelt and environs:

The Royal Danish Navy of 1940, the most powerful in the world now

[575]

Small nitpick to the above - it was Hekla not Hejmdal still in service of the old small Cruisers; 1940 reclassified as a Submarine Depot Ship and actually serving until 1955!

[lordroel]

Feb 10, 2023 20:48:12 GMT 575 said:

Small nitpick to the above - it was Hekla not Hejmdal still in service of the old small Cruisers; 1940 reclassified as a Submarine Depot Ship and actually serving until 1955!

Question related to fuel the ships, some where oil powered ships, other coal and in some cases like HDMS Niels Juel (1918), both, so how is that problem solved, any coal mines in Denmark and oil fields are not found in Denmark as far as i know.

[575]

Neighter coal nor oilfields in Denmark. Fuel had been stocked prior to WWII as a result of WWI experiences so there is some fuel to keep the machines going however Denmark would buy coal in Britain and export butter, bacon and other agricultural produce which will be sought to be continued but initially untill things get sorted out it will be taken from stockpiles.
During WWI without preparations the Danish Navy was able to quadruple its coal consumption by way of importing from Britain and Germany and stay operational throughout the War.

[stevep]

Feb 10, 2023 18:04:58 GMT 575 said:

Springeren

Lillebælt Minebarrage 0500 AM 9 April 1940/ 1 February 1864:
In Lillebælt at the north of the barrage the old Torpedoboat Springeren was ordered to go down the channel of the barrage and search out the German Navy Boats hailed down there yesterday.
Having come through the channel the Springeren headed south as no German boats were in sight down to a place near the Pøls Reef where the day before three large German ships and 3-4 Trawlers had been spotted.
Nothing to be seen there too.

Going further south avoiding the reef and shallow waters the Springeren came upon a Danish sailing ship and hailed it; it was carrying munitions and supply for 2. General Command at Flensburg of Jutland and Slesvig-Holsten.
The Commander of Springeren was flappergasted at the information – there was no Danish Commands south of the border since 1864 to which the Captain of the sailing ship said ”but it is 1864; 1 February!”
”If so why are You carrying that much ammunition? Won't the Army be wanting it soon?”
”Well the General Command ordered the ammunition loaded so it won't fall into German hands should the Army have to retreat out of Slesvig.”
”Hmm, well sounds a precaution well made – where are the Navy?”
”Down south at Slie (Schleswig Fiord) and further on watching the coast for advance of the Germans.”
”With the logical being Eckernförde Fiord the mainroad passing close to shore..”
”You said so Lieutenant (Royal Danish Navy eq. RN Midshipman, USN Ensign) – not me.”

The Lieutenant of Springeren ordered his ship south thinking about the History teachings at Navy Academy – 1849 1. Schleswig War the Eckernförde Affair where a Danish Ship of the Line and a Frigate had been sunk and captured by the then Insurgents.
What had been the dispositions of 1864? The most modern Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare commanded by Lieutenant Kraft and Steam Corvet Thor commanded by Lieutenant Hedemann observing the coast for enemy movement to the North.
If he went that far he'd know the Skipper of the ammunition ship was talking true – he ordered the radiooperator to inform Kommandør (RN/USN Captain) Evers at the Lillebaelt Barrage ”Have sighted no German ships to the south of the Barrage nor at Pøl's Reef and will continue southeast to continue searching. Present position south of Broager Land (Als).”
Shortly following a message from Kommandør Evers, Frigate Ingolf: ”Acknowledged – stay clear of German territorial waters. Evers.”
The Lieutenant thought to himself – like hell I will. This is too intrigueing.

The Lillebaelt and environs:

  That is going to be one problem.  Until the UT political leadership makes a decision about war with the assorted German powers can the military do anything to support their down time brethren?

[stevep]

Feb 10, 2023 21:07:30 GMT 575 said:

Neighter coal nor oilfields in Denmark. Fuel had been stocked prior to WWII as a result of WWI experiences so there is some fuel to keep the machines going however Denmark would buy coal in Britain and export butter, bacon and other agricultural produce which will be sought to be continued but initially untill things get sorted out it will be taken from stockpiles.
During WWI without preparations the Danish Navy was able to quadruple its coal consumption by way of importing from Britain and Germany and stay operational throughout the War.

  I'm not sure there are oilfields anywhere in the world at this point and definitely not in the scale that Denmark will need so those oil fired ships, motor vehicles and of course aircraft are going to be a wasting resource that will have limited use unless and until new production capacity can be organised and put into service and of course also a system for bringing it to Denmark will also be required.  The Danish forces and public are going to have to be careful how they use their stockpile and how quickly they can win this conflict and then keep others in the dark about this issue.  Possibly some of the ships can be retofitted for coal powering but it would be costly and time consuming.

  Buying coal from Britain would be a likely option and also sales of a lot of foodstuff as by this time Britain has been committed to free trade for ~15 years so there is definitely a market.  Also there was a fair amount of sympathy for Denmark at the time, partly aided by Princess Alexandra, the wife of Edward Prince of Wales [and later Edward VII] was Danish.

  One issue might be Denmark spreading information about the next few years.  With the knowledge of Prussia defeating Austria and its allies and then France in the next 6 years that could cause some discontent in the current alliance and wider across Europe.  Of course how quickly they can persuade people that what they say is accurate would be a factor here.  Thinking about it Denmark will include a fair number of foreign people at this time including assorted diplomats if nothing else and a number of them will want to inform their down-time nations as to what the 'future' holds.  Not in all cases of course as a number of 1940 countries don't exist or are under drastically different governments that the 1940 diplomats won't find too easy to work with and vice versa as for instance there is currently no Austrian embassy or ambassador in Denmark since that countries annexation by Nazi Germany.

  Would any of the DT Danish royalty have been in the unaffected southern area at this point?  If so they and some of their forces may be unwilling to accept instructions from the UT government or recognise its monarchy, especially if it means abandoning what they view of as Danish territory.  Although the overwhelming power of the opposing forces compared to their own now isolated units could force them to change their minds fairly quickly.

  Anyway a few thoughts that occurred to me.

[575]

Feb 10, 2023 22:50:54 GMT stevep said:

Feb 10, 2023 18:04:58 GMT 575 said:

Springeren

Lillebælt Minebarrage 0500 AM 9 April 1940/ 1 February 1864:
In Lillebælt at the north of the barrage the old Torpedoboat Springeren was ordered to go down the channel of the barrage and search out the German Navy Boats hailed down there yesterday.
Having come through the channel the Springeren headed south as no German boats were in sight down to a place near the Pøls Reef where the day before three large German ships and 3-4 Trawlers had been spotted.
Nothing to be seen there too.

Going further south avoiding the reef and shallow waters the Springeren came upon a Danish sailing ship and hailed it; it was carrying munitions and supply for 2. General Command at Flensburg of Jutland and Slesvig-Holsten.
The Commander of Springeren was flappergasted at the information – there was no Danish Commands south of the border since 1864 to which the Captain of the sailing ship said ”but it is 1864; 1 February!”
”If so why are You carrying that much ammunition? Won't the Army be wanting it soon?”
”Well the General Command ordered the ammunition loaded so it won't fall into German hands should the Army have to retreat out of Slesvig.”
”Hmm, well sounds a precaution well made – where are the Navy?”
”Down south at Slie (Schleswig Fiord) and further on watching the coast for advance of the Germans.”
”With the logical being Eckernförde Fiord the mainroad passing close to shore..”
”You said so Lieutenant (Royal Danish Navy eq. RN Midshipman, USN Ensign) – not me.”

The Lieutenant of Springeren ordered his ship south thinking about the History teachings at Navy Academy – 1849 1. Schleswig War the Eckernförde Affair where a Danish Ship of the Line and a Frigate had been sunk and captured by the then Insurgents.
What had been the dispositions of 1864? The most modern Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare commanded by Lieutenant Kraft and Steam Corvet Thor commanded by Lieutenant Hedemann observing the coast for enemy movement to the North.
If he went that far he'd know the Skipper of the ammunition ship was talking true – he ordered the radiooperator to inform Kommandør (RN/USN Captain) Evers at the Lillebaelt Barrage ”Have sighted no German ships to the south of the Barrage nor at Pøl's Reef and will continue southeast to continue searching. Present position south of Broager Land (Als).”
Shortly following a message from Kommandør Evers, Frigate Ingolf: ”Acknowledged – stay clear of German territorial waters. Evers.”
The Lieutenant thought to himself – like hell I will. This is too intrigueing.

The Lillebaelt and environs:

  That is going to be one problem.  Until the UT political leadership makes a decision about war with the assorted German powers can the military do anything to support their down time brethren?

At the moment no - unless themselve attacked but the Prussian troops are only on the move up from Holstein to Eckernförde on the Slesvig east coast where their passage was observable.

Issue will soon be attended to.

[lordroel]

Feb 11, 2023 9:36:44 GMT 575 said:

Feb 10, 2023 22:50:54 GMT stevep said:

  That is going to be one problem.  Until the UT political leadership makes a decision about war with the assorted German powers can the military do anything to support their down time brethren?

At the moment no - unless themselve attacked but the Prussian troops are only on the move up from Holstein to Eckernförde on the Slesvig east coast where their passage was observable.

Issue will soon be attended to.

If the Prussians are going to move as OTL, the 1940 Danish and 1864 Danish forces can hit them hard.

[575]

Feb 10, 2023 23:06:38 GMT stevep said:

Feb 10, 2023 21:07:30 GMT 575 said:

Neighter coal nor oilfields in Denmark. Fuel had been stocked prior to WWII as a result of WWI experiences so there is some fuel to keep the machines going however Denmark would buy coal in Britain and export butter, bacon and other agricultural produce which will be sought to be continued but initially untill things get sorted out it will be taken from stockpiles.
During WWI without preparations the Danish Navy was able to quadruple its coal consumption by way of importing from Britain and Germany and stay operational throughout the War.

  I'm not sure there are oilfields anywhere in the world at this point and definitely not in the scale that Denmark will need so those oil fired ships, motor vehicles and of course aircraft are going to be a wasting resource that will have limited use unless and until new production capacity can be organised and put into service and of course also a system for bringing it to Denmark will also be required.  The Danish forces and public are going to have to be careful how they use their stockpile and how quickly they can win this conflict and then keep others in the dark about this issue.  Possibly some of the ships can be retofitted for coal powering but it would be costly and time consuming.

  Buying coal from Britain would be a likely option and also sales of a lot of foodstuff as by this time Britain has been committed to free trade for ~15 years so there is definitely a market.  Also there was a fair amount of sympathy for Denmark at the time, partly aided by Princess Alexandra, the wife of Edward Prince of Wales [and later Edward VII] was Danish.

  One issue might be Denmark spreading information about the next few years.  With the knowledge of Prussia defeating Austria and its allies and then France in the next 6 years that could cause some discontent in the current alliance and wider across Europe.  Of course how quickly they can persuade people that what they say is accurate would be a factor here.  Thinking about it Denmark will include a fair number of foreign people at this time including assorted diplomats if nothing else and a number of them will want to inform their down-time nations as to what the 'future' holds.  Not in all cases of course as a number of 1940 countries don't exist or are under drastically different governments that the 1940 diplomats won't find too easy to work with and vice versa as for instance there is currently no Austrian embassy or ambassador in Denmark since that countries annexation by Nazi Germany.

  Would any of the DT Danish royalty have been in the unaffected southern area at this point?  If so they and some of their forces may be unwilling to accept instructions from the UT government or recognise its monarchy, especially if it means abandoning what they view of as Danish territory.  Although the overwhelming power of the opposing forces compared to their own now isolated units could force them to change their minds fairly quickly.

  Anyway a few thoughts that occurred to me.

Did something on the oilfields in Galizia for A Window.. - ah there it was: 1817 an order was signed for delivery of oil for the lamps of Prague. Extraction in Baku and North America still in the development but its there. A Civil War raging in NA but Denmark have good relations with the Tsar though Princess Dagmar haven't been and will not ITTL be married to the next - our old Ally!

It will take time and initially be in small capacity - Galizia will be the best bet (unlike what I decided 12 years ago when I ISOTed Denmark of 1914 to 1864).

The majority of the Navy is coal fired - Subs and other moderns oil burners. Artilleryship Niels Juel a hybrid.

Still lots of horses in the Army but quite some Trucks and other fuelburning vehicles though just 1,500 total! Most commercial traffic is non existant due to rationing as earlier mentioned so won't be a crisis there.

Dissemination of information about the intensions of Bismarcks will soon be handed to the Austrians and other friendly German States and much more will follow.

Other Ministers - Ambassadors - to Copenhagen may want to travel home to brief their Government and ruler.

There was no Danish Royalty attatched to the Army or Navy or on active service during 1864. So no Claimant forthcoming.

Now be patient - its another ten pages or so till we get to the real action.

Denmark of 1940 is run by a coalition of Socialdemocratic Party and Social Liberals the latter being extremely pacifist. Premier Stauning had a stint of we go the Swedish Way just post the accession to power of A. Hitler but couldn't find an Ally or forge a Scandinavian Defence League (due to a zillion obstacles) so opted to lay low and hope for the best. Good idea???

At least so is the situation in Denmarks and Stauning have for the past few years been telling the populace that "we are a small peoples alone in the World and will have to weather it on our own.."

[575]

Feb 11, 2023 9:41:23 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 11, 2023 9:36:44 GMT 575 said:

At the moment no - unless themselve attacked but the Prussian troops are only on the move up from Holstein to Eckernförde on the Slesvig east coast where their passage was observable.

Issue will soon be attended to.

If the Prussians are going to move as OTL, the 1940 Danish and 1864 Danish forces can hit them hard.

Well they are Germans aren't they - at least they don't know what's in it for them. Yet.

The map is a little off 1864 - this was v. Moltke's big plan

and the inspiration: Cannae

The Double Envelopment - Moltke's wet dream that would make him a new Hannibal - greatest strategist in the World.

And hence why the Battle of Mysunde 2 February 1864 as it would secure the passage of the right wing to initiate the Double Envelopment! Well the Danish defenders were a little too tough to allow this to happen and the weather adverse. Had they waited to Spring it would probably have been a walk in the park but then the waterways and marshes would have been flooded - well You can't have it all at one time - can You?

[lordroel]

Feb 11, 2023 10:14:04 GMT 575 said:

Feb 11, 2023 9:41:23 GMT lordroel said:

If the Prussians are going to move as OTL, the 1940 Danish and 1864 Danish forces can hit them hard.

Well they are Germans aren't they - at least they don't know what's in it for them. Yet.

The map is a little off 1864 - this was v. Moltke's big plan

and the inspiration: Cannae

The Double Envelopment - Moltke's wet dream that would make him a new Hannibal - greatest strategist in the World.

And hence why the Battle of Mysunde 2 February 1864 as it would secure the passage of the right wing to initiate the Double Envelopment! Well the Danish defenders were a little too tough to allow this to happen and the weather adverse. Had they waited to Spring it would probably have been a walk in the park but then the waterways and marshes would have been flooded - well You can't have it all at one time - can You?

Any fortifications inside 1940 Denmark that can hold the 1864 Prussians if they mange to come that far.

[575]

Feb 11, 2023 10:25:12 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 11, 2023 10:14:04 GMT 575 said:

Well they are Germans aren't they - at least they don't know what's in it for them. Yet.

The map is a little off 1864 - this was v. Moltke's big plan

and the inspiration: Cannae

The Double Envelopment - Moltke's wet dream that would make him a new Hannibal - greatest strategist in the World.

And hence why the Battle of Mysunde 2 February 1864 as it would secure the passage of the right wing to initiate the Double Envelopment! Well the Danish defenders were a little too tough to allow this to happen and the weather adverse. Had they waited to Spring it would probably have been a walk in the park but then the waterways and marshes would have been flooded - well You can't have it all at one time - can You?

Any fortifications inside 1940 Denmark that can hold the 1864 Prussians if they mange to come that far.

To cut it short - no.

Problem would be waterways and the rather hilly terrain in the East of Jutland. And Danish Aircraft and Balloons looking down.

[575]

Eckernförde Fiord 8 AM 9 April 1940
Keeping off the shallow coastal waters Springeren was going southeast though the 32 km/16nm to the mouth of Eckernförde Fiord was soon covered and the Lieutenant ordered turning to port to enter the Fiord.
They only had to travel 25km/12nm before they caught sight of a Navy Steam Corvet's three masts flying the Navy Ensign.
Springeren hoisted signal ”coming along” and with Navy Ensign flying moved up to the old ship.

Lieutenant Hedemann looked at the strange Navy Ship flying the Navy Ensign and coming along his Steam Corvette; like the Esbern Snare it was Iron built but without the tall masts. 2 masts actually the fore behind the Bridge was tall but with no Yards so no possibility of Steam Down. Painted grey with two tall funnels and a large platform to the rear it looked quite odd.
An Officer possibly the Captain came to the railing calling upon him – must be the Captain though the uniform was different; he did speak Danish which was relaxing though Hedemann knew both German and French.
The Officer asked if he was Lieutenant Hedemann commanding Steam Corvet Thor to which Hedemann nodded affirmative and the Officer continued identifying himself and his ship – Torpedoboat Springeren added to the Navy 1917.
At that Hedemann looked astonished then asked ”how come; this is 1 February 1864?”
The Officer said he didn't know and then asked about Lieutenant Kraft's Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare which were visible closer to shore – Hedemann this time confirmed the Officers inquiry verbally not just nodding. The man seemed and sounded a Navy Officer and the crew obeyed him.
Hedemann and the Springeren Officer talked some more then the Officer informed that Denmark of 1940 was his home to the north of the Slesvig border – Hedemann now seemed as perplexed as the Springeren Officer had seemed when he told him it being 1 February 1864.
Hedemann was then informed that there was a Minefield up the Lillebælt and east of Langeland as well as in Grønsund between Falster and Møn and around Copenhagen. At that Hedemann looked at the Springeren Officer and asked why. Being told that the 1940 Denmark was fearing war with Germany just as 1864 did Hedemann understand why such precautions had been made.
The Springeren Officer called a Seaman dictating a short signal to his superior Kommandør Evers up the Lillebælt saying he expected an answer very soon then sent off the Sailor.
Hedemann didn't see any signals hoisted and asking he was told that Kommandør Evers was more than 60nm to the north thus couldn't see the signals but that it would be transmitted from the ship by wireless telegraphy.
Hedemann look in awe – wireless telegraphy! Telegraphy by wire being the fad this sounded fantastic.
The two Captains continued their chat but it wasn't long before a Sailor came to handing the Springeren Officer a written note.
The Officer looked at Hedemann: message from my Commander – WHAT!!! Request repeat signal!
The Officer looked at the Sailor ”repeat previous signal to Kommandør Evers and inform we are exchanging news of 1864.”
”Do You really want that last bit added, Sir” the Sailor asked.
”Hmm, better not, however add we will leave Eckernförde Fiord now and head up Lillebælt for rendevouz at the Barrage – end of signal.”
”Lieutenant Hedemann I bid You farewell. Happy to have made Your acquiantance and expect to see You soon” - both Officers saluting.



Thor

[lordroel]

Feb 11, 2023 10:32:53 GMT 575 said:

Eckernförde Fiord 8 AM 9 April 1940
Keeping off the shallow coastal waters Springeren was going southeast though the 32 km/16nm to the mouth of Eckernförde Fiord was soon covered and the Lieutenant ordered turning to port to enter the Fiord.
They only had to travel 25km/12nm before they caught sight of a Navy Steam Corvet's three masts flying the Navy Ensign.
Springeren hoisted signal ”coming along” and with Navy Ensign flying moved up to the old ship.

Lieutenant Hedemann looked at the strange Navy Ship flying the Navy Ensign and coming along his Steam Corvette; like the Esbern Snare it was Iron built but without the tall masts. 2 masts actually the fore behind the Bridge was tall but with no Yards so no possibility of Steam Down. Painted grey with two tall funnels and a large platform to the rear it looked quite odd.
An Officer possibly the Captain came to the railing calling upon him – must be the Captain though the uniform was different; he did speak Danish which was relaxing though Hedemann knew both German and French.
The Officer asked if he was Lieutenant Hedemann commanding Steam Corvet Thor to which Hedemann nodded affirmative and the Officer continued identifying himself and his ship – Torpedoboat Springeren added to the Navy 1917.
At that Hedemann looked astonished then asked ”how come; this is 1 February 1864?”
The Officer said he didn't know and then asked about Lieutenant Kraft's Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare which were visible closer to shore – Hedemann this time confirmed the Officers inquiry verbally not just nodding. The man seemed and sounded a Navy Officer and the crew obeyed him.
Hedemann and the Springeren Officer talked some more then the Officer informed that Denmark of 1940 was his home to the north of the Slesvig border – Hedemann now seemed as perplexed as the Springeren Officer had seemed when he told him it being 1 February 1864.
Hedemann was then informed that there was a Minefield up the Lillebælt and east of Langeland as well as in Grønsund between Falster and Møn and around Copenhagen. At that Hedemann looked at the Springeren Officer and asked why. Being told that the 1940 Denmark was fearing war with Germany just as 1864 did Hedemann understand why such precautions had been made.
The Springeren Officer called a Seaman dictating a short signal to his superior Kommandør Evers up the Lillebælt saying he expected an answer very soon then sent off the Sailor.
Hedemann didn't see any signals hoisted and asking he was told that Kommandør Evers was more than 60nm to the north thus couldn't see the signals but that it would be transmitted from the ship by wireless telegraphy.
Hedemann look in awe – wireless telegraphy! Telegraphy by wire being the fad this sounded fantastic.
The two Captains continued their chat but it wasn't long before a Sailor came to handing the Springeren Officer a written note.
The Officer looked at Hedemann: message from my Commander – WHAT!!! Request repeat signal!
The Officer looked at the Sailor ”repeat previous signal to Kommandør Evers and inform we are exchanging news of 1864.”
”Do You really want that last bit added, Sir” the Sailor asked.
”Hmm, better not, however add we will leave Eckernförde Fiord now and head up Lillebælt for rendevouz at the Barrage – end of signal.”
”Lieutenant Hedemann I bid You farewell. Happy to have made Your acquiantance and expect to see You soon” - both Officers saluting.



Thor

Can see the blockade of Prussia by the 1940/1864 Danish Navy be worse for Prussia than OTL, might we see coastal raids by the 1940 Danish Navy ore am i jumping to far ahead.

[575]

Feb 11, 2023 10:55:01 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 11, 2023 10:32:53 GMT 575 said:

Eckernförde Fiord 8 AM 9 April 1940
Keeping off the shallow coastal waters Springeren was going southeast though the 32 km/16nm to the mouth of Eckernförde Fiord was soon covered and the Lieutenant ordered turning to port to enter the Fiord.
They only had to travel 25km/12nm before they caught sight of a Navy Steam Corvet's three masts flying the Navy Ensign.
Springeren hoisted signal ”coming along” and with Navy Ensign flying moved up to the old ship.

Lieutenant Hedemann looked at the strange Navy Ship flying the Navy Ensign and coming along his Steam Corvette; like the Esbern Snare it was Iron built but without the tall masts. 2 masts actually the fore behind the Bridge was tall but with no Yards so no possibility of Steam Down. Painted grey with two tall funnels and a large platform to the rear it looked quite odd.
An Officer possibly the Captain came to the railing calling upon him – must be the Captain though the uniform was different; he did speak Danish which was relaxing though Hedemann knew both German and French.
The Officer asked if he was Lieutenant Hedemann commanding Steam Corvet Thor to which Hedemann nodded affirmative and the Officer continued identifying himself and his ship – Torpedoboat Springeren added to the Navy 1917.
At that Hedemann looked astonished then asked ”how come; this is 1 February 1864?”
The Officer said he didn't know and then asked about Lieutenant Kraft's Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare which were visible closer to shore – Hedemann this time confirmed the Officers inquiry verbally not just nodding. The man seemed and sounded a Navy Officer and the crew obeyed him.
Hedemann and the Springeren Officer talked some more then the Officer informed that Denmark of 1940 was his home to the north of the Slesvig border – Hedemann now seemed as perplexed as the Springeren Officer had seemed when he told him it being 1 February 1864.
Hedemann was then informed that there was a Minefield up the Lillebælt and east of Langeland as well as in Grønsund between Falster and Møn and around Copenhagen. At that Hedemann looked at the Springeren Officer and asked why. Being told that the 1940 Denmark was fearing war with Germany just as 1864 did Hedemann understand why such precautions had been made.
The Springeren Officer called a Seaman dictating a short signal to his superior Kommandør Evers up the Lillebælt saying he expected an answer very soon then sent off the Sailor.
Hedemann didn't see any signals hoisted and asking he was told that Kommandør Evers was more than 60nm to the north thus couldn't see the signals but that it would be transmitted from the ship by wireless telegraphy.
Hedemann look in awe – wireless telegraphy! Telegraphy by wire being the fad this sounded fantastic.
The two Captains continued their chat but it wasn't long before a Sailor came to handing the Springeren Officer a written note.
The Officer looked at Hedemann: message from my Commander – WHAT!!! Request repeat signal!
The Officer looked at the Sailor ”repeat previous signal to Kommandør Evers and inform we are exchanging news of 1864.”
”Do You really want that last bit added, Sir” the Sailor asked.
”Hmm, better not, however add we will leave Eckernförde Fiord now and head up Lillebælt for rendevouz at the Barrage – end of signal.”
”Lieutenant Hedemann I bid You farewell. Happy to have made Your acquiantance and expect to see You soon” - both Officers saluting.



Thor

Can see the blockade of Prussia by the 1940/1864 Danish Navy be worse for Prussia than OTL, might we see coastal raids by the 1940 Danish Navy ore am i jumping to far ahead.

Jumping too far ahead - no but You and stevep tends to read my notes and this is only a thought. Of course Denmark during 1848-50 did excell in combined operations along the Jutland East Coast and did blockade the German Ports on the Baltic and North Sea during both 1848-50 and 1864; in both instances a strong weapon (which would also be backed by the other Naval Power - Britain!)

At the moment we're not at war with Prussia - Austria and the German Confederation but that will soon change. The way ahead navally will be a little difficult - but obstacles are to be removed or bypassed to attain the greater good.

1914 ISOT to 1864 I let the Danish Navy sink the Prussian one in a preemptive operation will not immediately happen here because of prior line - confused possibly but look up Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer.