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Post by Max Sinister on Aug 24, 2023 22:00:20 GMT
Central Europe 1400-14501400: Maffeo Servitore starts working as a secretary for the Medici. 1401-07: Great Reform council of Geneva. After a century full of famines and corrupt popes, and the recent experience of the Black Death, everyone agrees that the church has to reform. Since the church can't possibly control the flagellant movement, and has the warning example of the beggar's republics before its eyes, even the church leaders agree. As one contemporary describes it, "the pope is trembling before the rightful wrath of the believers". The council decides the following reforms: - Selling indulgences is forbidden. Some reformers propose that the jubilee is restricted to once per 50 or 100 years, but they don't succeed.
- Some of the worst offenders in the church are defrocked.
- Number of benefices per cleric is restricted.
- The pope has to return to Rome (the Italians insisted particularly on that).
- The kings succeed insofar as they have to give the church less money.
- The liturgy isn't reformed, however, and the translation of the bible stays forbidden.
For the first half of the 15th century, the popes and bishops are more respectable than before. The Seljuk threat also helps to make Catholic Christianity feel united again. 1401: Holy Roman Emperor Gerhard I of Holstein crushes the beggar's republic of Utrecht, adding it to his empire. 1402: The new continent in the west is mentioned for the first time in a document under the name it finally gets: Atlantis (ITTL, the works of Platon are read more often among the educated Western Europeans). 1404: Florence invades the beggar's republic of Parma, annexing it. Poland attacks the Teutonic Order, wins the first Teutonic-Polish War; Pommerellen (with access to the sea) becomes Polish. 1406: Emperor Gerhard is murdered by a Danish nobleman, who hates the all-powerful Germans. 1407: Maffeo Servitore, a cunning Florentine diplomat, sees the weakness of the divided Northern Italy, so he devises a plan. Meeting with the rulers of Savoy and Venice, all of Northern Italy except Genoa is divided into spheres of influences, which said three states may conquer. Otherwise, the big three are supposed to live in peace. Until the 1430s, this is what happens: The little city states (which are near collapse after the difficult 14th century) of Northern Italy are "mopped up". As a result, many Italians leave their country (especially from Pisa and Milan), going to France and Aragon, and some other states too, spreading Italian art. Hanseatic League defeats the Bornholm brotherhood of pirates, who flee partly to Norway, partly to Frisia. 1408: Duke Ottokar II of Austria (and titular king of Bohemia) asks the Roman king to conquer Bohemia back for him. When king Gerhard declines, Ottokar has himself elected anti-king with Bavarian help and starts a war against Bohemia. In 1413, after his armies have been defeated severely several times by the Czech leader Prokop, he puts down the crown again and apologizes. 1414: Holland, important for its trade, gets the eighth electoral vote in the HRE. 1419: Roman king Gerhard II is crowned emperor and also appoints himself king of the Netherlands (which include Holland, Zeeland, Hennegau and Utrecht at that time), with the pope's OK. 1421/22: Swabish War in the Holy Roman Empire. The Empire proves unable to force Switzerland and its allies of the South German city league back into the fold. 1426: Boleslaw VI of Poland and Birger II Eriksson ally against the Teutonic Order. 1432 they are victorious again; Poland keeps its conquests from the last war and also gets Wolhynien, Sweden gets Estonia (that's only the northern half of OTL Estonia, though). 1430: Emperor Gerhard dies. His lands are divided: His older son Gerhard III becomes king of the Netherlands and Roman king, Heinrich becomes king of Denmark. This leads to some trouble in Atlantis. The Hanseatic League also sees more internal competition: The cities in Holstein compete with the Dutch and Flemish cities, and the cities in the Baltic (and also those in OTL Hanover) stand aside a bit. Vaclav IV elected new king in Bohemia (-1471). His government better shouldn't be mentioned in more secular times: Living completely with his head in the clouds, he claims to listen to God and the angels. Historians of later times claim that he simply suffered under a heavy schizophrenia. Under his reign, Bohemia is transformed into what one can only call a theocracy, with horrible results for their arts, science, economy and diplomacy. 1430-35: Savoy invades the republic of Genoa, annexing it. The duke treats the conquered city relatively well, though; he wants to use it to become a power in the Mediterranean, too. Venice annexes the patriarchate of Aquileia (part of the HRE). 1432: After the death of childless king Zsigmond II of Hungary, the nobles elect Karl von Hessen new king. Uprising of the Ciompi (wool weavers). The Medici use this accident to take full power for themselves. 1435: King Gerhard is defeated by the Frisians under chief (yes, they had chiefs) Enno of the Cirksena family when he tries to conquer their lands. 1442: A primitive kind of printing is developed in Antwerp, center of cloth printing. It has no movable letters, but uses wood blocks instead. Thanks to government contracts, the new technology soon spreads through the Netherlands. 1444: Venice and Aragon defeat Florence, fearing its economical competition, destroy its fleet, force it to sign an "everlasting treaty" forbidding Florence's ships to go to ANY harbor in Europe or the Mediterranean (except those on its own territory). In addition, Florence has to pay a big sum of money. Florence offers the winners to give them Corsica instead, but they are not interested.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 2, 2023 0:34:01 GMT
Western Europe / Atlantis 1400-1450
Since ~1400: Europeans take up more or less regular trade contact with America / Atlantis. While they only import tobacco first (which isn't smoked in TTL first, but burned and inhaled instead, and mostly used as a medicine), the Europeans soon discover the value of beaver and raccoon pelts. Since the natives (called Atlanteans, what else) don't have much gold, the Europeans aren't too keen on extending their discoveries at the moment, only go as far south as OTL Virginia. At the beginning, the trade is in the hands of the Hanseatic League, which helps the princes of Holstein-Holland-Hennegau to become pretty rich.
1409: Robert, the younger brother of king David / Daibidh III of Scotland-Norway, tries to conspire with some Norwegians to become king of Norway himself - without success.
1410: Portugal has restarted its discoveries after the shock of the Black Death, reaches Cabo Nao (important because the Arabs never sailed further south than here).
1414: England under new king Richard III makes alliances with Castille and the Netherlands, attacks France again.
1416: Robert of Scotland tries to murder his brother, but his conspiracy is prevented, and he is incarcerated for the rest of his life. (Unfortunately for him, he'll become 80 years old.)
1417: After the death of king Harald IV, his brother governs Denmark until his nephew Erik VIII comes to age. Now however, Holy Roman Emperor Gerhard II (who already owns Jutland as a fief) conspires with the regent's younger brother, eventually taking power in Denmark for himself.
1418: Portugal discovers, claims and later settles the Azores.
1421: France makes a separate peace with the Netherlands, giving emperor Gerhard II Flanders, which is incorporated into the Netherlands. Now, the tides turn again: Storming each and every city, the conquered cities with cannons and relying on their greater manpower, the French slowly drive the allied English and Castillians back.
After the death of Pedro II of Portugal "the Cruel", the country descends into Civil War.
1424: The Cortes, the Castillian estates, protest the high costs and low results of the war. King Pedro is sorry about it, but has to leave the war too. He has better things to do: Interfere in the Portuguese Civil War, where the sons of unpopular king Pedro II fought against each other after his death. At the end, Pedro III of Castille becomes new king of Portugal, and the two sons become princes of North and South Portugal respectively. By using this division, Castillian kings can keep Portugal under control, although they have to respect Portuguese rights.
1426: Scotland decides to follow the Danes & Dutch on their trips, establishes colonies around Cape Cod, which is called New Scotland ITTL.
When the Pope and the Anjou king of Naples asks the French king for a crusade against the Rum-Seljuks, king Charles IV agrees. He makes peace with the English, leaving Guyenne in their hands; king Richard III has to accept it as a fief, though.
1430: To get rid of the mighty nobles in Castille, king Pedro III tells them to go on a crusade to Morocco, which is subjugated during the next 20 years.
1430s: Unrest among the peasants in England, which keeps the king and the nobles busy. The unrest is also religiously motivated - a William Aston translated the bible into English.
1434: Portuguese discoveries (which suffered due to the Civil War) restarted again. At the moment, they have reached Cape Bojador, which is believed to be impassable.
1435: Black Death hits the New World, destroying some small European settlements too; other trade places have to be given up, since the Atlantean trade partners have died or don't want to have contact with the Europeans any more. They now concentrate on a few places: Haraldsland (Newfoundland), New Jutland (Nova Scotia), Prince-Harald-Island (Manhattan), Nieuw Zeeland (Atlantic City island), plus the Scottish-Norwegian colony on Martha's Vineyard.
1438: The kings of Denmark and the Netherlands finally agree for a compromise in the New World, negotiated by the pope: Denmark keeps the northern colonies (Prince-Harald-Island, Haraldsland, New Jutland), which are extended with time over the whole OTL Canadian Maritimes and the Hudson valley. The Netherlands get the Southern colony of Nieuw Zeeland and are allowed to colonize the lands further south.
1439: Brittany gets a pro-French ruler, eventually returning to the fold.
1440s: Portuguese start slave trade between Africa and Atlantis. At this time, the slaves are mostly captured Muslims from Morocco.
1441: Mayapan destroyed (no Europeans involved).
1449: Portuguese captains manage to sail around Cape Bojador, which was believed to be the last safe point you can sail to. Now they've proved the opposite. The way around Africa is opened.
In Portugal, a revolt against the rule of Castillian king Pedro IV starts.
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Post by stevep on Sept 2, 2023 12:00:58 GMT
Max Some interesting events there. OTL the Pedro the Cruel was a Castilian monarch who was deposed after a civil war - but not without some substantial impacts on the 100 Years War - rather than Portuguese but that's what you get with butterflies. A bit confusing that after his death another Pedro who was the Castilian monarch intervened in the resulting civil war.
The settlement of Atlantis by Europeans is occurring although without the lure of massive gold wealth its going to be slower at the moment. With the Portuguese going largely south around Africa as OTL and Castilian occupied in Europe and N Africa it could be a while before any Europeans get to the Caribbean and possible Mexican gold and silver let alone the Incas if their still there by the time their reached.
Having initial plantation slaves being Muslims forcibly taken from N Africa rather than Negros bought from W Africa could have some consequences down the line. It could mean that the Muslim world is seen as a source of slaves by force although I suspect that African slaves will end up being cheaper as they won't require conquests. However could it mean revolts in the colonies, especially when Portugal is divided as it seems to be at the moment. It would mean an early introduction of Islam into the new world.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 2, 2023 19:44:52 GMT
Some interesting events there. OTL the Pedro the Cruel was a Castilian monarch who was deposed after a civil war - but not without some substantial impacts on the 100 Years War - rather than Portuguese but that's what you get with butterflies. A bit confusing that after his death another Pedro who was the Castilian monarch intervened in the resulting civil war.
The settlement of Atlantis by Europeans is occurring although without the lure of massive gold wealth its going to be slower at the moment. With the Portuguese going largely south around Africa as OTL and Castilian occupied in Europe and N Africa it could be a while before any Europeans get to the Caribbean and possible Mexican gold and silver let alone the Incas if their still there by the time their reached.
Having initial plantation slaves being Muslims forcibly taken from N Africa rather than Negros bought from W Africa could have some consequences down the line. It could mean that the Muslim world is seen as a source of slaves by force although I suspect that African slaves will end up being cheaper as they won't require conquests. However could it mean revolts in the colonies, especially when Portugal is divided as it seems to be at the moment. It would mean an early introduction of Islam into the new world.
Thanks. Yes, the different Pedros can be confusing - but if you get the butterfly effect, things become clearer.
Yes, the conquest of Atlantis will be slower than that of the Americas. Except in the north.
Yes, Islam will come earlier to the New World - albeit under control of the European slaveholders, hence it's improbable it'll make further gains.
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Post by stevep on Sept 3, 2023 0:49:34 GMT
Some interesting events there. OTL the Pedro the Cruel was a Castilian monarch who was deposed after a civil war - but not without some substantial impacts on the 100 Years War - rather than Portuguese but that's what you get with butterflies. A bit confusing that after his death another Pedro who was the Castilian monarch intervened in the resulting civil war.
The settlement of Atlantis by Europeans is occurring although without the lure of massive gold wealth its going to be slower at the moment. With the Portuguese going largely south around Africa as OTL and Castilian occupied in Europe and N Africa it could be a while before any Europeans get to the Caribbean and possible Mexican gold and silver let alone the Incas if their still there by the time their reached.
Having initial plantation slaves being Muslims forcibly taken from N Africa rather than Negros bought from W Africa could have some consequences down the line. It could mean that the Muslim world is seen as a source of slaves by force although I suspect that African slaves will end up being cheaper as they won't require conquests. However could it mean revolts in the colonies, especially when Portugal is divided as it seems to be at the moment. It would mean an early introduction of Islam into the new world.
Thanks. Yes, the different Pedros can be confusing - but if you get the butterfly effect, things become clearer.
Yes, the conquest of Atlantis will be slower than that of the Americas. Except in the north.
Yes, Islam will come earlier to the New World - albeit under control of the European slaveholders, hence it's improbable it'll make further gains.
The point I was thinking of was that if there's a period of weakness by the Portuguese - or whoever else might be using N African Muslim slaves you could see them rebelling successfully, or at least a number escaping and then possibly influencing the surviving native population. Although that would depend on how well such escapees would be willing to work with them.
One point that just occurred as since from the naming of the continent there's not the OTL assumption that it was actually E Asia so the locals wouldn't end up being called Indians.  |
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 5, 2023 23:28:39 GMT
Thanks. Yes, the different Pedros can be confusing - but if you get the butterfly effect, things become clearer.
Yes, the conquest of Atlantis will be slower than that of the Americas. Except in the north.
Yes, Islam will come earlier to the New World - albeit under control of the European slaveholders, hence it's improbable it'll make further gains.
The point I was thinking of was that if there's a period of weakness by the Portuguese - or whoever else might be using N African Muslim slaves you could see them rebelling successfully, or at least a number escaping and then possibly influencing the surviving native population. Although that would depend on how well such escapees would be willing to work with them.
One point that just occurred as since from the naming of the continent there's not the OTL assumption that it was actually E Asia so the locals wouldn't end up being called Indians. Indeed - they'll be called Atlanteans ITTL. I'll spoiler that much: In one German colony, they'll also differentiate between "Atlanter" and "Atlantiner". One for the colonials, the other one for the natives.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 5, 2023 23:56:31 GMT
Rest of the world 1400-1500
Since ~1400: Power of Mali Empire begins to crumble, its former vassals (like Songhay / Gao) gain more power.
15th century: Kingdom of Benin (in OTL SW Nigeria) starts to flourish. They're approached by Europeans in 1488.
Great Zimbabwe starts to fall apart. The city is given up.
Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia organizes the state into the provinces of Tigray (northern), Amhara (central) and Shewa (southern).
Loanga kingdom (OTL Republic of Congo) founded.
Mossi state founded in OTL Burkina Faso.
Nupe immigrate from the Nile (it's claimed) to OTL Central Nigeria.
1417: The sultan of Malindi (OTL Kenya) receives Chinese diplomats.
1430-50: After the Castillian conquest of Morocco, some Moroccans start to flee South, to Mauretania or even Timbuktu.
~1440: Coffee is drunk for the first time outside Ethiopia.
1465: Songhay takes Timbuktu.
1472: Mai (=ruler title) Ali Dunamami defeats his rivals and begins the consolidation of Kanem-Bornu. He builds a fortified capital at Ngazargamu, to the west of Lake Chad, the first permanent home a Sayfawa (=his dynasty) mai has enjoyed in a century.
1480s: Kingdom of Baguirmi (OTL Chad) founded.
~1500: Mai Ali Gaji is able to defeat the Bulala and retake Njimi, the former capital.
Arab traders bring Islam to the Comoros.
At this time or earlier, Luba people start to form a state (in OTL South Congo).
Jolof at height of power.
Late 15th century: Kingdom of Baguirmi adopts Islam. Short time after, it's conquered by Kanem-Bornu.
Islam made state religion in sultanate of Sinnar/Sennar (earlier than OTL).
Mandara Kingdom founded (Tradition states: by a female ruler named Soukda and a non-Mandarawa hunter named Gaya) in OTL Cameroon.
Maravi Empire founded by the Amaravi people (in OTL Malawi).
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Post by lordroel on Sept 7, 2023 20:06:23 GMT
Rest of the world 1400-1500Since ~1400: Power of Mali Empire begins to crumble, its former vassals (like Songhay / Gao) gain more power. 15th century: Kingdom of Benin (in OTL SW Nigeria) starts to flourish. They're approached by Europeans in 1488. Great Zimbabwe starts to fall apart. The city is given up. Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia organizes the state into the provinces of Tigray (northern), Amhara (central) and Shewa (southern). Loanga kingdom (OTL Republic of Congo) founded. Mossi state founded in OTL Burkina Faso. Nupe immigrate from the Nile (it's claimed) to OTL Central Nigeria. 1417: The sultan of Malindi (OTL Kenya) receives Chinese diplomats. 1430-50: After the Castillian conquest of Morocco, some Moroccans start to flee South, to Mauretania or even Timbuktu. ~1440: Coffee is drunk for the first time outside Ethiopia. 1465: Songhay takes Timbuktu. 1472: Mai (=ruler title) Ali Dunamami defeats his rivals and begins the consolidation of Kanem-Bornu. He builds a fortified capital at Ngazargamu, to the west of Lake Chad, the first permanent home a Sayfawa (=his dynasty) mai has enjoyed in a century. 1480s: Kingdom of Baguirmi (OTL Chad) founded. ~1500: Mai Ali Gaji is able to defeat the Bulala and retake Njimi, the former capital. Arab traders bring Islam to the Comoros. At this time or earlier, Luba people start to form a state (in OTL South Congo). Jolof at height of power. Late 15th century: Kingdom of Baguirmi adopts Islam. Short time after, it's conquered by Kanem-Bornu. Islam made state religion in sultanate of Sinnar/Sennar (earlier than OTL). Mandara Kingdom founded (Tradition states: by a female ruler named Soukda and a non-Mandarawa hunter named Gaya) in OTL Cameroon. Maravi Empire founded by the Amaravi people (in OTL Malawi). Would be nice if there was a World map, assume it is complete different than OTL by now. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 7, 2023 21:34:50 GMT
Rest of the world 1400-1500Since ~1400: Power of Mali Empire begins to crumble, its former vassals (like Songhay / Gao) gain more power. 15th century: Kingdom of Benin (in OTL SW Nigeria) starts to flourish. They're approached by Europeans in 1488. Great Zimbabwe starts to fall apart. The city is given up. Solomonic dynasty of Ethiopia organizes the state into the provinces of Tigray (northern), Amhara (central) and Shewa (southern). Loanga kingdom (OTL Republic of Congo) founded. Mossi state founded in OTL Burkina Faso. Nupe immigrate from the Nile (it's claimed) to OTL Central Nigeria. 1417: The sultan of Malindi (OTL Kenya) receives Chinese diplomats. 1430-50: After the Castillian conquest of Morocco, some Moroccans start to flee South, to Mauretania or even Timbuktu. ~1440: Coffee is drunk for the first time outside Ethiopia. 1465: Songhay takes Timbuktu. 1472: Mai (=ruler title) Ali Dunamami defeats his rivals and begins the consolidation of Kanem-Bornu. He builds a fortified capital at Ngazargamu, to the west of Lake Chad, the first permanent home a Sayfawa (=his dynasty) mai has enjoyed in a century. 1480s: Kingdom of Baguirmi (OTL Chad) founded. ~1500: Mai Ali Gaji is able to defeat the Bulala and retake Njimi, the former capital. Arab traders bring Islam to the Comoros. At this time or earlier, Luba people start to form a state (in OTL South Congo). Jolof at height of power. Late 15th century: Kingdom of Baguirmi adopts Islam. Short time after, it's conquered by Kanem-Bornu. Islam made state religion in sultanate of Sinnar/Sennar (earlier than OTL). Mandara Kingdom founded (Tradition states: by a female ruler named Soukda and a non-Mandarawa hunter named Gaya) in OTL Cameroon. Maravi Empire founded by the Amaravi people (in OTL Malawi). Would be nice if there was a World map, assume it is complete different than OTL by now.
It would definitely be useful although you might need several - at regional/continental levels and their going to need to be updated from time to time as things change, sometimes dramatically.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 9, 2023 23:44:02 GMT
Would be nice if there was a World map, assume it is complete different than OTL by now.
It would definitely be useful although you might need several - at regional/continental levels and their going to need to be updated from time to time as things change, sometimes dramatically.
I can understand this. Will post one later. But for now:
East Asia 1450-1500
1451 (3148, Yin Metal Sheep): Tibet joins the Chinese sphere of influence.
1452-56 (3149, Yang Water Monkey / 3153, Yang Fire Rat): A Chinese treasure fleet sails up the Red Sea, sends a delegation to Egypt. On their return, they also spread tales about the Christian countries.
1453 (3150, Yin Water Chicken): Assam start paying tribute to the Hong.
1457 (3154, Yin Fire Ox): A crisis at the court of the ninth Hong emperor is solved in a pleasing way (see story).
1458: Thai kingdom Chiang Mai annexes Nan (later than OTL).
1459: Sultanate of Sulu founded on the Philippines.
1463 (3160, Yin Water Sheep): Arakan (Assam's neighbor) also becomes part of the Chinese sphere of influence.
1464 (3161, Yang Wood Monkey): Arabs in the city of Taiz, Hejaz, assault the crew of a Chinese ship when they went on land. Although the authorities don't want to anger off the strong Chinese fleet, things become complicated when the assaulters can't be caught, but demand ransom for the crew. The Chinese pay the money, but after the captured crew is returned, they demand from the Seljuk authorities that they punish the criminals, or at the very least return the money. After a demonstration of their cannons' power, the sheriff gives in. Some henchmen are actually captured, but their leader stays hidden. The Chinese leave, but many Arabs aren't happy about his humiliation.
1466 (3163, Yang Fire Dog): News of the assault spread to the court, who decided to send another fleet of cannon-stocked ships, which reaches Arabia now. The Chinese approach the Omanis (with whom they have more and better contacts), win them as allies against the Hejaz Arabs.
1474 (3171, Yang Wood Horse): Thai ask Hong emperor to solve a struggle for succession, which he does. This is the precedent for extending Chinese influence in Ayutthaya.
1483 (3180, Yin Water Rabbit): War between the Seljuks and the Hong breaks out, which distracts the Seljuks somewhat from defeating Hungary. Battles in the Red Sea, Omanis make incursions into Hejaz.
Late 1480s: Another uprising against Chinese by Vietnamese, which is suppressed. Annam practically becomes a Chinese province.
1487 (3184, Yin Fire Sheep): Seljuk-Hong War ends with a peace. The Seljuks will send a regular tribute/gift to the Hong emperor, who'll return the favor. Since this is a generous peace, the Seljuks accept it. Arabs start trading with China, bringing glassworks, plants from the Middle East, like coffee, qat and hashish, to China.
1492 (3189, Yang Water Rat): Sultan of Bengal pays tribute to Hong.
1495: Lan Xang (Laos) starts introducing Confucianism.
~1500: Russian merchants make first contact with Chinese traders.
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Post by stevep on Sept 10, 2023 10:22:06 GMT
That's getting to be a very powerful Hong, although before they turned inward the OTL Ming's missions did gain a lot of influence and claims of subordination by many states in SE Asia especially.
When you say the 1457 crisis at the Hong court is resolved in a pleasant way with a note about see story is that something to come?
Thanks for this extended TL. Very interesting.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 13, 2023 17:20:18 GMT
Ah yes, the stories... when I wrote the TL 15+ years ago, I also wrote one short story for every block. Linked from the corresponding post, and also linking back. (Meanwhile at the other AH forum those links are broken, because the forum software was changed.) Somehow forgot to start a thread for those stories here.
Anyway, here's the next block: Muslim world 1450-15001450/51: After a short war with Egypt, where they demonstrate their military power (cannons, large standing army), the Rum-Seljuks make the former one a tributary. Now Persia is the only other major Muslim power left. 1453: Aragonese troops land in Calabria, winning some battles in the beginning. When the main army of the Seljuks arrives, they're beaten back to Sicily, however. In 1455, the Seljuks land on Sicily, conquering it completely in 1456. 1459-61: Naples completely subjugated by Seljuks. Everyone fears that the Papal States will be attacked next. The helpless pope flees to Avignon. So does king Charles / Carlo V. 1466: The infamous Sacco di Roma happens. In the following years, the church loses a lot of power to the various state governments (whether monarchical, republican or something in between). Castille-Portugal sends troops to Italy to fight for the pope. 1472: After lots of fighting, the Seljuks keep Latium, calling themselves from now on "rulers of both Romes". Despite the fact that the sultan is disappointed how insignificant Rome has become. The eastern parts of the Papal states become the Duchy/Protectorate of the Marches, theoretically still under the pope, de facto under the duke of Alba (Castile). Although none say it loud, the pope and the other church leaders are quite content in Avignon and don't care that much about Rome any more. 1477: Johannite Knights defeated, Rhodos becomes Seljuk. The Castilian-Portuguese king gives them a new home in Granada. 1480-1492: Seljuks break up Hungary, leaving only Slovakia and the western third to the king. The center and Croatia are annexed, Transsylvania becomes a tributary. 1496: Cyprus conquered by Rum-Seljuks. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 14, 2023 7:14:29 GMT
Color code:
England: red
France: pink
Castille: yellow
Poland: blue
Sweden: green
Denmark: light blue
Dutch: orange
Florence: pale green
Braunschweig: brown
Scotland: purple
Here's the map of Atlantis in 1450:
And here's the continent in 1500:
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Post by stevep on Sept 14, 2023 18:07:54 GMT
Color code:
England: red
France: pink
Castille: yellow
Poland: blue
Sweden: green
Denmark: light blue
Dutch: orange
Florence: pale green
Braunschweig: brown
Scotland: purple
Here's the map of Atlantis in 1450:
And here's the continent in 1500:
Looks like Castille are going to be the 1st to reach the Caribbean and then the Aztecs, if their about here. [Might be some butterflies from the earlier discovery meaning that the assorted pandemics have already spread quite widely if nothing else.]
I think the mass of blue in the north are Denmark which means I'm not sure where the Poles are? Similarly is the green around Chesapeake bay and to its south Sweden or Florence - would guess the former. Not sure where the Scots are either.
A lot depends on the density of settlement and also how strong the home government is as well as how much it can support its colonies but Denmark looks pretty powerful and also to be blocking further English settlement. That means the English unless their willing to accept this limitation have to find some way to get land from the Danes or make new colonies further south. Similarly the Dutch, Swedes, French and Castilians seem to have secure foundations.
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Post by Max Sinister on Sept 16, 2023 18:19:18 GMT
Color code:
England: red
France: pink
Castille: yellow
Poland: blue
Sweden: green
Denmark: light blue
Dutch: orange
Florence: pale green
Braunschweig: brown
Scotland: purple
Here's the map of Atlantis in 1450:
And here's the continent in 1500:
Looks like Castille are going to be the 1st to reach the Caribbean and then the Aztecs, if their about here. [Might be some butterflies from the earlier discovery meaning that the assorted pandemics have already spread quite widely if nothing else.]
I think the mass of blue in the north are Denmark which means I'm not sure where the Poles are? Similarly is the green around Chesapeake bay and to its south Sweden or Florence - would guess the former. Not sure where the Scots are either. Castille will be strong in the Caribbean indeed. The Poles will arrive later. And I thought I had mentioned the Scots already: "1426: Scotland decides to follow the Danes & Dutch on their trips, establishes colonies around Cape Cod, which is called New Scotland ITTL." But later, they're reduced to the "Scottish-Norwegian colony on Martha's Vineyard".
Russian lands 1450-1500
Since 1450: Various sects pop up in the Russian states, demanding various reforms in the church and a revival of Christian values.
Since 1460: The Russian population has recovered from the Black Death (due to a less densely settled population, a smaller part of the people died than in Western Europe). Peasants looking for land start to settle in neighboring areas: Those from Vladimir-Suzdal go to OTL Siberia (ITTL called Novorossiya, New Russia), those from Kiev and the South in general into OTL Ukraine (which is mostly settled by Kumans now; part of them are Muslims, parts are Catholic or Orthodox Christians, and even paganism hasn't completely died out yet).
1468: A delegation of merchants from Vladimir sends a delegation to the Grand Prince, asking him for help against the competing merchants from Novgorod.
1469-72: War between Vladimir and Novgorod. Novgorod loses the right to trade in the areas east of Volga and Kama - thus being cut off from Novorossiya now.
1470: Tobolsk at Tobol river founded.
1475: Bible translated into Russian by Semyon Michailovich Lomonossov in Ryazan. The religious tensions between Vladimir and the South break up again.
1480s: The "Judaizing" (Jews converted to Christianity now preaching their teachings. Since they're very skilled in theology, thanks to practising with the Talmud, they often defeat the illiterate orthodox popes in debates.) start to appear.
1483-89: Border war between Vladimir and Chernigov. Vladimir wins, keeps the Southern Russian states from expanding east of the Volga.
1490s: After the taxes rise in Old Russia, even more settlers go East and South. This leads to more and more conflicts with the Kumans in the Ukraine.
1500: Settlements in Novorossiya as far as Ob and Irtysh rivers.
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