A History of the American-Japanese Campaign of 1931-1933

[lordroel]

Modern cruisers of the imperial Japanese Navy

Tenryū-class light cruisers

Tenryū

Tatsuta, sunk at the battle of Lubang on March 3rd 1931.

Kuma-class light cruisers

Kuma

Tama

Kitakami

Ōi, sunk at the Battle of Bonins on January 8th 1932.

Kiso

Nagara-class light cruisers

Nagara

Isuzu

Yura

Natori

Kinu

Abukuma

Sendai

Jintsū

Naka

Aoba-class light cruisers

Aoba

Furutaka

Kako

Kinugasa

Ashigara-class light cruisers

Ashigara, sunk at the Battle of Yap on November 20th 1932.

Chitose, sunk at the Battle of Bonins on January 8th 1932.

Haguro

Hashidate

Itsukushima

Kasagi, sunk at the Battle of Bonins on January 8th 1932.

Myoko

Nachi

Otowa

Takasago

Yonezawa

Yoshino

[lordroel]

Obsolete cruisers of the imperial Japanese Navy

Armored cruiser

Kasuga-class armored cruisers

Kasuga

Nisshin, sunk during the first Battle of Guam on March 20th 1931.

Izumo-class armored cruisers

Idzumo, sunk during the Batle of Rotumah on March 2nd 1932.

Iwate, sunk during the Batle of Rotumah on March 2nd 1932.

Azuma-class armored cruiser

Azuma, sunk during the Batle of Rotumah on March 2nd 1932.

Yakumo-class armored cruiser

Yakumo, sunk during the Batle of Rotumah on March 2nd 1932.

Asama-class armored cruisers

Asama, temporarily rearmed for shore bombardment by replacing their forward 8 inch guns with a pair 12 inch howitzers.

Tokiwa, temporarily rearmed for shore bombardment by replacing their forward 8 inch guns with a pair 12 inch howitzers.

Aso-class armored cruiser

Aso, used as a minelayer with a total of 512 naval mines deployed on its upper and middle deck.

Protected cruiser

Tone-class protected cruiser

Tone

Chikuma-class protected cruiser

Chikuma

Hirado

Yahagi

Niitaka-class protected cruiser

Tsushima

[eurowatch]

It feels wierd Reading these lists and actually regocnising most of the names, even if they often aren't the same Class or type of ship I know them as.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2017 15:48:48 GMT eurowatch said:

It feels wierd Reading these lists and actually regocnising most of the names, even if they often aren't the same Class or type of ship I know them as.

Well the United States and Japan seem to recycle names a lot.

[eurowatch]

Jun 23, 2017 16:03:36 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2017 15:48:48 GMT eurowatch said:

It feels wierd Reading these lists and actually regocnising most of the names, even if they often aren't the same Class or type of ship I know them as.

Well the United States and Japan seem to recycle names a lot.

Every navy does it, the US and Japan are not unique in that regard.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2017 16:37:38 GMT eurowatch said:

Jun 23, 2017 16:03:36 GMT lordroel said:

Well the United States and Japan seem to recycle names a lot.

Every navy does it, the US and Japan are not unique in that regard.

Well to sad that in the end there will be only one Kongo left in this universe.

[eurowatch]

Jun 23, 2017 16:44:53 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2017 16:37:38 GMT eurowatch said:

Every navy does it, the US and Japan are not unique in that regard.

Well to sad that in the end there will be only one Kongo left in this universe.

Poor Hiei, her time With her onee-sama was cut too short once again.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2017 16:55:12 GMT eurowatch said:

Jun 23, 2017 16:44:53 GMT lordroel said:

Well to sad that in the end there will be only one Kongo left in this universe.

Poor Hiei, her time With her onee-sama was cut too short once again.

Well at least she will have Akagi (converted to a battlecruiser in this universe for no reason) and the battleships Nagato,Ise,Hyūga,Fusō and Yamashiro to keep here company.

[eurowatch]

Jun 23, 2017 17:05:17 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2017 16:55:12 GMT eurowatch said:

Poor Hiei, her time With her onee-sama was cut too short once again.

Well at least she will have Akagi (converted to a battlecruiser in this universe for no reason) and the battleships Nagato,Ise,Hyūga,Fusō and Yamashiro to keep here company.

Why would Akagi be converted back into a battlecruiser instead of just continue using her as a carrier? That just seems like a waste of resources. 
At least Fusou and Yamashiro are lucky instead of being constant bad luck magnets like OTL but what Will poor Nagato do without her waifu?

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2017 17:12:58 GMT eurowatch said:

Jun 23, 2017 17:05:17 GMT lordroel said:

Well at least she will have Akagi (converted to a battlecruiser in this universe for no reason) and the battleships Nagato,Ise,Hyūga,Fusō and Yamashiro to keep here company.

Why would Akagi be converted back into a battlecruiser instead of just continue using her as a carrier? That just seems like a waste of resources. 
At least Fusou and Yamashiro are lucky instead of being constant bad luck magnets like OTL but what Will poor Nagato do without her waifu?

As we know they where turned into carrier due the Washington Naval Treaty, it seems that in the book the Japanese Imperial Navy toughed that with enough carriers in service and war seeing imminent turning both Akagie and Kaga back into battlecruisers would give the battle fleet more firepower.  

[eurowatch]

Jun 23, 2017 17:20:01 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2017 17:12:58 GMT eurowatch said:

Why would Akagi be converted back into a battlecruiser instead of just continue using her as a carrier? That just seems like a waste of resources. 
At least Fusou and Yamashiro are lucky instead of being constant bad luck magnets like OTL but what Will poor Nagato do without her waifu?

As we know they where turned into carrier due the Washington Naval Treaty, it seems that in the book the Japanese Imperial Navy toughed that with enough carriers in service and war seeing imminent turning both Akagi and Kaga back into battlecruisers would give the battle fleet more firepower.  

So the Author was a follower of the "those carriers? They will never catch on" idea?

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2017 17:41:26 GMT eurowatch said:

Jun 23, 2017 17:20:01 GMT lordroel said:

As we know they where turned into carrier due the Washington Naval Treaty, it seems that in the book the Japanese Imperial Navy toughed that with enough carriers in service and war seeing imminent turning both Akagi and Kaga back into battlecruisers would give the battle fleet more firepower.  

So the Author was a follower of the "those carriers? They will never catch on" idea?

It looks like it, all the battles that where fought in the GPW verse as i call it where mostly battles between ships with guns leaving the carriers to act as recon assets, so you can say the writer was favoring guns over air power, but he proved to be wrong almost 16 years latter with the outbreak of the Pacific Campaign of World War II where carrier played a major role in naval warfare. 

[oldbill]

For those interested in wargaming with naval miniatures, Shapeways has a number of the ships from Bywater's work. Bywater himself was a pretty fascinating man, who authored a number of books (I have a copy of Navies and Nations on a bookshelf) he dabbled in the intelligence game (according to this site www.microworks.net/PACIFIC/bases/pearl_inset.htm) and was rather influential in naval circles. I would add that overall, he showed a remarkable perspicacity in envisioning how war would take place in a conflict between the US and Japan. His only real mistake was not recognizing the importance in airpower as a striking arm, a mistake that he was not alone in.

[lordroel]

Dec 18, 2017 3:49:52 GMT oldbill said:

For those interested in wargaming with naval miniatures, Shapeways has a number of the ships from Bywater's work. Bywater himself was a pretty fascinating man, who authored a number of books (I have a copy of Navies and Nations on a bookshelf) he dabbled in the intelligence game (according to this site www.microworks.net/PACIFIC/bases/pearl_inset.htm) and was rather influential in naval circles. I would add that overall, he showed a remarkable perspicacity in envisioning how war would take place in a conflict between the US and Japan. His only real mistake was not recognizing the importance in airpower as a striking arm, a mistake that he was not alone in.

Yes i know about them, would work well with the Bywater's War PDF i got.

[oldbill]

Thanks for that link! There are some items there that are interesting.