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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 6, 2016 19:26:38 GMT
The (more successful) Peasants' Rebellion, the (more successful)Great Rising our Lollard Rebellion/Rising So the Peasants' Rebellion of 1381, sounds okay to me. Yes my lord, your word is the law |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 6, 2016 19:31:11 GMT
So the Peasants' Rebellion of 1381, sounds okay to me. Yes my lord, your word is the law My word in this thread is not law, the person who writes the timeline/story is the law unless that person violates the rules of the forum which then forces me to become the law. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 6, 2016 19:54:06 GMT
The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed. Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve PS IF Richard does die in 1382 then I presume the official claimant to the throne would be his uncle, John of Gaunt, who was very wealthy but also pretty unpopular at the time. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 6, 2016 20:02:15 GMT
The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed. Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve So he might become King Roger I if he mange to get the crown. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 6, 2016 20:59:38 GMT
The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed. Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve PS IF Richard does die in 1382 then I presume the official claimant to the throne would be his uncle, John of Gaunt, who was very wealthy but also pretty unpopular at the time. I have edited a little bit the last part, please notice that English is not my native language so you can have some problems trying to understand some parts. I don't have time to answer all you questions now but I will try make it tomorrow |
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Post by stevep on Dec 6, 2016 23:30:45 GMT
Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve PS IF Richard does die in 1382 then I presume the official claimant to the throne would be his uncle, John of Gaunt, who was very wealthy but also pretty unpopular at the time. I have edited a little bit the last part, please notice that English is not my native language so you can have some problems trying to understand some parts. I don't have time to answer all you questions now but I will try make it tomorrow OK Roderick. Many thanks.  |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 7, 2016 15:52:18 GMT
Yes my lord, your word is the law My word in this thread is not law, the person who writes the timeline/story is the law unless that person violates the rules of the forum which then forces me to become the law. Yes my lord. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 7, 2016 17:34:10 GMT
The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed. Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve PS IF Richard does die in 1382 then I presume the official claimant to the throne would be his uncle, John of Gaunt, who was very wealthy but also pretty unpopular at the time. He born in 1352 (Wikipedia), by now he have 29 or 30 while Richard only had 15. My son, he have not become crow and anybody say that he will, he can talk about heirs later on. I have edited a bit the end so go see. I'm not seeing the peasants it lack of food going directly to the north in the winter it any man to lead them, but also a good idea, I also want to write a bit more about his live and his fears. Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 7, 2016 17:40:00 GMT
Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. As the official recognized king of England. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 7, 2016 18:27:54 GMT
Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. As the official recognized king of England. yes |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 7, 2016 19:20:17 GMT
Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. As the official recognized king of England. So he is King John II of the House of Plantagenet, this means that the House of Plantagenet is one king richer than it was in OTL where is was succeeded by the House of Lancaster when Richard II in OTL. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 7, 2016 21:51:55 GMT
As the official recognized king of England. So he is King John II of the House of Plantagenet, this means that the House of Plantagenet is one king richer than it was in OTL where is was succeeded by the House of Lancaster when Richard II in OTL. Not sure as I've often heard Richard III referred to at the last of the Plantagenet's so think some sources read it as the dynasty only ending with Henry VIII and the Tudors. Steve |
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Post by stevep on Dec 7, 2016 21:54:43 GMT
Rodrerick Interesting character. Do you know how old he was? The google entries I can see suggests he was almost certainly older than Richard II and the fact he fled after killing a man in a duel does suggest he wasn't too close to Richard. [I notice while one source, plantagenesta.livejournal.com/50371.html, says this duel was 1388 another, murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/sir-roger-of-clarendon/, suggests this was in 1398? Wonder if the latter was a typo as the 1st source mentions him being in hiding for 7 years but he was executed in 1402, only 4 years later by Henry IV]. If you intend him to become 'king' at least for the rebel faction, then will he produce an heir himself as OTL his wife died in 1386, although possibly that can be avoided TTL or he can find a new wife? This last bit I find rather unclear. Could you clarify please? Suspect you mean peasants hiding in the woods setting fire to the royal camp and then killing assorted royalists, including Richard II as they flee? If Richard was actually in the castle at Leicester this seems rather unlikely to be honest. , One possible step, rather than Roger supporting the rebels openly before Richard's death is possibly the latter comes 1st. Then with the kingdom in disorder Roger puts in a claim for the throne but his bastardy means a lot of nobles reject him and then John Ball and other rebel leaders propose they would support him in return for his supporting their religious and social programme. Not a great expert on the period but that might fit in with the circumstances as it gives a clear incentive for Roger to side with the rebels, especially if Roger feared his life was at stake from whoever was his rival for the crown. [Mind you we know so little about him that you could do just about anything with him]. Steve PS IF Richard does die in 1382 then I presume the official claimant to the throne would be his uncle, John of Gaunt, who was very wealthy but also pretty unpopular at the time. He born in 1352 (Wikipedia), by now he have 29 or 30 while Richard only had 15. My son, he have not become crow and anybody say that he will, he can talk about heirs later on. I have edited a bit the end so go see. I'm not seeing the peasants it lack of food going directly to the north in the winter it any man to lead them, but also a good idea, I also want to write a bit more about his live and his fears. Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. OK thanks. I couldn't find him on Wiki? That DoB means he's about 36 now so should be mature enough to be a decent leader presuming he has the necessary character. Steve |
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Post by Roderick3D on Dec 7, 2016 22:09:15 GMT
He born in 1352 (Wikipedia), by now he have 29 or 30 while Richard only had 15. My son, he have not become crow and anybody say that he will, he can talk about heirs later on. I have edited a bit the end so go see. I'm not seeing the peasants it lack of food going directly to the north in the winter it any man to lead them, but also a good idea, I also want to write a bit more about his live and his fears. Yes, John will lead the "kingdom" against the rebels. OK thanks. I couldn't find him on Wiki? That DoB means he's about 36 now so should be mature enough to be a decent leader presuming he has the necessary character. Steve Im that bad ah maths? He are at 81? |
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Post by stevep on Dec 8, 2016 0:06:38 GMT
OK thanks. I couldn't find him on Wiki? That DoB means he's about 36 now so should be mature enough to be a decent leader presuming he has the necessary character. Steve Im that bad ah maths? He are at 81? If born in 1853 then in 1381 he would be 28 or 27 in the part of 1381 before his birthday. Steve |
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