Presidents, PMs, Chancellors, General Secretaries and even Popes: Alternate lists of leaders

[lordroel]

We already have two of these list:

List of alternate PMs or Presidents

List of monarchs I

[James G]

Oh, no. I didn't see them!

[lordroel]

Have merged the List of alternate PMs or Presidents, will keep the List of monarchs I separate and which can be found in the pre-1900 board.

[James G]

Good thinking, Admiral.

[lordroel]

Feb 18, 2018 19:25:37 GMT James G said:

Good thinking, Admiral.

Than this is the list for all Presidents, PMs, Chancellors, General Secretaries and even Popes (not including kings, queen, Emperors ore anybody that is a monarch).

[James G]

Remain and its nightmare consequences - British PM List


2010-15: David Cameron (Cons. with Lib Dem coalition)

Cameron and his new look Conservatives beat Brown's Labour in '10.
He needs and gets Lib Dem support from Clegg to govern.
There are grumbles over Britain in the EU though.


2015-17: David Cameron (Cons.)

Cameron does the impossible and beats Milliband's Labour. The Lib Dems take a terrible defeat.
Problems with the EU rumble on domestically and Cameron holds a referendum.
Remain beats Leave.
Cameron believes he is invincible but he is in for a shock when he goes to the country to increase his majority.


2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Lab.)

Corbyn pulls it off. Shock and outrage commence.
He is prime minister for two and half weeks before he is shot and killed.
There has been isolated but lethal anti-EU violence in the country from dangerous fanatics.


2017-2019: Keir Starmer (Lab.)

A nation is in shock.
Starmer leads his party and the country.
He heads off anti-EU challenges and cracks down hard on political violence, even the suspicion of it.
Like Cameron before him, he goes to the country to increase his majority and fails. 


2019-??: Boris Johnson (Cons.)

Classic legend is nothing more than a nightmare.
Britain isn't going to be united behind him and the happy times are gone for good.

[James G]

Tippecanoe continues - US Presidents Alternate List


1981 - Ronald Reagan / George H.W. Bush (R)

Reagan was elected in '80 after beating incumbent Carter.
His promising presidency was cut oh-so-very short by a trouble young man who assassinated him months after his swearing in.
Reagan would be left as a footnote in history.


1981 - George H.W. Bush / Vacant (R)
1981 to 1985 - George H.W. Bush / Al Haig (R)

Bush was left at the helm after Reagan's unexpected death.
He failed to do much with his presidency and there were scandals. Haig was probably the worse choice of a VP he could choose.
He went into the '84 election expecting to lose.


1985 to 1993 - Gary Hart / Dick Gephardt (D)

Hart defeated Mondale for the nomination then won a landslide against the 'out of touch' Bush.
His presidency was regarded as successful at home and aboard.
It also came with sex scandals though: a new American obsession with their politician's sex lives.

[James G]

Bloody Brighton - British PMs Alternate list


1979-84: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)

Thatcher wins in 79 and 83.
She is among many murdered by an IRA bomb in Brighton during October 84.


1984: Viscount Whitelaw (Conservative)

An interim Prime Minister.
He governs from the Lords in a time of serious trouble within the country after Brighton.


1984-88: Nigel Lawson (Conservative)

Wins the short leadership race over other candidates.
Governs during the rest of Thatcher's term and goes to the country at the end of that.


1988-19??: Neil Kinnock (Labour)

Kinnock beats Lawson at the general election.
Britain will change much under Kinnock.

[James G]

Bill Fails - US Presidents Alternate List


1989 to 1997 - George H.W. Bush / Dan Quayle (R)

Bush wins in 1988 and then in 1992. The second victory was close, very close, but Clinton was overcome.
Bush's second term was full of scandals stretching back from his vice presidency in the 80s and then post Gulf War events in the Middle East.


1997 to 2001 - Bob Graham / Bob Kerrey (D)

A bitter series of primaries through 1996 saw chaos in the Democratic Party. They fought to win back the White House after 16 years of GOP control.
Graham's four years started with promise but went down in flames due to economic problems nationwide. He ran in 2001 and failed to get a second term: the GOP was back.

[James G]

2nd Female Prime Minister - British PMs Alternate list


1979-90: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)

Thatcher wins victories in '79, '83 and '87.
Later, her party turns against her after the Poll Tax issue but that is just the last straw after a long time of bad feeling.


1990-97: John Major (Conservative)

Major was Thatcher's choice to replace her. He was a rising star.
The Major years were a disaster for him, the party and the country.


1997-20??: Cherie Booth-Blair (Labour)

Cherie had a stunning political career whereas her husband remained in the law.
She won in '97, showing Major the boot. New Labour would rule supreme.

[James G]

The Union Will Go On: Soviet Survival - Alternate Soviet General Secretary List


Mikhail Gorbachev - 1985 to 1991
Gorbachev was supposed to be the saviour of the Soviet Union. He nearly brought it down.
After being deposed in August 1991 by hardliners, he became 'ill' and died the next year.

Gennady Yanayev - 1991 to 1992
Yanayev was the face of the coup in 1991.
He was ineffective even as a puppet of the KGB where he couldn't / wouldn't play his role. He was forced to resign, citing family issues.

Vladimir Kryuchkov - 1992 to 2004
Kryuchkov was the man behind the coup that toppled Gorby and Yanayev's puppet-master.
In the end, the KGB head did a better job himself. He led the reformed USSR into the 21st Century and died peacefully in his bed.

Gennady Zyuganov - 2004 to current
Zyuganov is Kryuchkov's hand-picked successor.
He keeps his people (generally) happy / down and makes sure that the USSR retains its superpower status alongside the US in a bi-polar world to twin power-blocs.

[James G]

Hope Destroyed - Alternate US Presidents list


Barrack Obama (D) - 2009
Elected in November 2008 with the message of hope and change.
Assassinated by a racist nut in March 2009.

Joe Biden (D) - 2009 to 2013
Obama's VP took over after the slaying of Obama.
Ran in 2012 but lost because while liked, that wasn't enough.

Mitt Romney (R) - 2013 to ??.??
Defeats Biden in 2012.

[James G]

Bonaparte in the Kremlin: Alternate Russian Presidents list

Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin - 1991 to 1996
Russia's first president. A drunk and a failure.
Yeltsin ran in '96 and lost to an outsider in Lebed.

Alexander Ivanovich Lebed - 1996 to 2003
Former Soviet Airborne officer and Afghanistan veteran.
A man who tried to be a dictator but didn't want to be one either.
Led Russia into war through Central Asia and the Caucasus before a helicopter crash took his life.

Yury Mikhaylovich Luzhkov - 2003 to ??.??
Corruption returns in the form of Luzhkov after Lebed's sudden death.
Russia's third president sets about changing the rules on elections and terms.

[lordroel]

Apr 15, 2018 20:36:15 GMT James G said:

Bonaparte in the Kremlin: Alternate Russian Presidents list

Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin - 1991 to 1996
Russia's first president. A drunk and a failure.
Yeltsin ran in '96 and lost to an outsider in Lebed.

Alexander Ivanovich Lebed - 1996 to 2003
Former Soviet Airborne officer and Afghanistan veteran.
A man who tried to be a dictator but didn't want to be one either.
Led Russia into war through Central Asia and the Caucasus before a helicopter crash took his life.

Yury Mikhaylovich Luzhkov - 2003 to ??.??
Corruption returns in the form of Luzhkov after Lebed's sudden death.
Russia's third president sets about changing the rules on elections and terms.

So Luzhkov is the Putin of this universe. 

[James G]

Apr 16, 2018 3:10:14 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 15, 2018 20:36:15 GMT James G said:

Bonaparte in the Kremlin: Alternate Russian Presidents list

Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin - 1991 to 1996
Russia's first president. A drunk and a failure.
Yeltsin ran in '96 and lost to an outsider in Lebed.

Alexander Ivanovich Lebed - 1996 to 2003
Former Soviet Airborne officer and Afghanistan veteran.
A man who tried to be a dictator but didn't want to be one either.
Led Russia into war through Central Asia and the Caucasus before a helicopter crash took his life.

Yury Mikhaylovich Luzhkov - 2003 to ??.??
Corruption returns in the form of Luzhkov after Lebed's sudden death.
Russia's third president sets about changing the rules on elections and terms.

So Luzhkov is the Putin of this universe. 

Sort of, yes. No big ex KGB presence but instead a kingdom of oligarchs with sham elections and murders of opponents.