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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2018 13:51:06 GMT
So Luzhkov is the Putin of this universe. Sort of, yes. No big ex KGB presence but instead a kingdom of oligarchs with sham elections and murders of opponents. So the same as OTL except that his previous predecessor decided to get Russia in a war in Central Asia and the Caucasus. |
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 19:45:42 GMT
Red Britain: Leaders of Britain during the Revolutionary and post-Revolutionary Period
Her Majesty's Government
Margaret Thatcher
Prime Minister 1979 to 1982
Resigned after 'defeat' in the Falklands War (but really so much more).
Norman Tebbit
Prime Minister 1982 to 1983
Led the country into a civil war; assassinated.
Her Majesty's Emergency National Military Administration / Bath Government
General Walter Walker
Defender of Law & Order 1983 to 1986
Military leader to fight 'the reds'. He won the majority of the war and handed over power to the civilians for the end of that.
Julian Amery
Chief Minister of the 'Bath Government' 1986 to 1987
Civilian leader of the quasi-military/civilian administration at the end of the conflict.
Leaders of the various revolutionary alliances
Ken Livingstone
Chairman of the People's Committee 1983 to 1984
First leader of the revolutionary state: assassinated, possibly by his own side.
Gerry Healy
Chairman of the People's Committee 1984 to 1986
Healy oversaw terror and true revolution; disappeared into the unknown one night.
Ted Grant
Chairman of the People's Committee 1987
The last leader of the shrinking revolution; captured by the army when Sheffield fell at end the war.
Her Majesty's Restored Government
Tom King
Prime Minister 1987 onwards
Mister Sensible took charge to try and repair the nation from four years of civil war.
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Post by James G on Apr 20, 2018 19:12:04 GMT
Scandal-hit France - French Presidents Alternate list
Jacques Chirac - 1995 to 2007
President for twelve long years.
Segolene Royal - 2007 to 2011
Defeated Sarkozy in 2007; resigned in 2011 due to a financial scandal.
Dominique Strass-Khan - 2011 to 2017
Left his position at the IMF and took over. Won his own election in 2012.
Francois Hollande - 2017 to ??.??
Another Socialist who won election after DSK refused to run again due to his own scandal with a woman.
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 20, 2018 22:51:46 GMT
Chancellors of Nazi Germany: An Axis Victory During WWII
Adolf Hitler (1933-1946) Nazi Party (Died of syphilis while in office)
Joseph Goebbels (1946-1952) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Died of lung disease while in office)
Heinrich Himmler (1952-1963) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to poor health)
Artur Axmann (1963-1978) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to false Semitic heritage allegations)
Viktor Hitler (1978-2000) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Assassinated during a democratic coup led by the United States)
Period of turmoil. De facto Chancellor is Harald Quandt (2000-2001), son-in-law of Joseph Goebbels.
Dissolution of the Greater German Reich and the institution of a democratic, presidential republic. Conflict stops with Quandt's assassination.
So in this universe, Hitler is able to sign a stalemate in 1943 once his Russian campaign begins to falter. The United Kingdom - in this ATL, critically damaged by Germany's Luftwaffe - pressures the US to accept the treaty, forcing the USSR to agree as well. As a demonstration of cooperation, Hitler aides the Allies in the war against Japan, leading to the Empire's complete extermination by late 1944. An official peace treaty is signed, with Germany relinquishing certain territories and making military reductions, while maintaining certain territorial integrity and Nazi government. Germany abandons a hostile approach for several years, in order to build foreign trust. However, Hitler - severely affected by years of unmeasured drug intake and the stress of his position - is weak, and eventually dies in 1946 after contracting syphilis, which delivered the coup de grace.
Hitler appoints Joseph Goebbels as the new Führer on his deathbed. Goebbels continues most of Hitler's reforms, while investing intensively on the industry and state-approved flourishing of the arts and culture. Jews are continued to be persecuted. Death toll has reached over 11 million, and over 140 death camps exist throughout Nazi Europe. However, international human rights agencies are unable to do anything. The US leads undercover missions for extracting Jews into a liberated France and Canada, and slowly increases pressure for Goebbels to stop tormenting Jews. As the new decade comes around, Germany is an undisputed superpower, leading the international arms manufacturing industry and possessing the largest nuclear arsenal. The US has also grown considerably, leading to an increasingly-tense Cold War between them. The USSR, still unable to recover from WWII, slowly downgrades into the status of puppet state, providing cheap workforce and resources to the Nazis. Eventually, Goebbels dies in 1952, after a lifetime of intense smoking.
TBC...
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Post by lordroel on Apr 21, 2018 7:15:06 GMT
Chancellors of Nazi Germany: An Axis Victory During WWIIAdolf Hitler (1933-1946) Nazi Party (Died of syphilis while in office)
Joseph Goebbels (1946-1952) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Died of lung disease while in office)
Heinrich Himmler (1952-1963) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to poor health)
Artur Axmann (1963-1978) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to false Semitic heritage allegations)
Viktor Hitler (1978-2000) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Assassinated during a democratic coup led by the United States)
Period of turmoil. De facto Chancellor is Harald Quandt (2000-2001), son-in-law of Joseph Goebbels.
Dissolution of the Greater German Reich and the institution of a democratic, presidential republic. Conflict stops with Quandt's assassination.
So in this universe, Hitler is able to sign a stalemate in 1943 once his Russian campaign begins to falter. The United Kingdom - in this ATL, critically damaged by Germany's Luftwaffe - pressures the US to accept the treaty, forcing the USSR to agree as well. As a demonstration of cooperation, Hitler aides the Allies in the war against Japan, leading to the Empire's complete extermination by late 1944. An official peace treaty is signed, with Germany relinquishing certain territories and making military reductions, while maintaining certain territorial integrity and Nazi government. Germany abandons a hostile approach for several years, in order to build foreign trust. However, Hitler - severely affected by years of unmeasured drug intake and the stress of his position - is weak, and eventually dies in 1946 after contracting syphilis, which delivered the coup de grace.
Hitler appoints Joseph Goebbels as the new Führer on his deathbed. Goebbels continues most of Hitler's reforms, while investing intensively on the industry and state-approved flourishing of the arts and culture. Jews are continued to be persecuted. Death toll has reached over 11 million, and over 140 death camps exist throughout Nazi Europe. However, international human rights agencies are unable to do anything. The US leads undercover missions for extracting Jews into a liberated France and Canada, and slowly increases pressure for Goebbels to stop tormenting Jews. As the new decade comes around, Germany is an undisputed superpower, leading the international arms manufacturing industry and possessing the largest nuclear arsenal. The US has also grown considerably, leading to an increasingly-tense Cold War between them. The USSR, still unable to recover from WWII, slowly downgrades into the status of puppet state, providing cheap workforce and resources to the Nazis. Eventually, Goebbels dies in 1952, after a lifetime of intense smoking.
TBC... Reminds me of the list of In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 21, 2018 14:39:52 GMT
Chancellors of Nazi Germany: An Axis Victory During WWIIAdolf Hitler (1933-1946) Nazi Party (Died of syphilis while in office)
Joseph Goebbels (1946-1952) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Died of lung disease while in office)
Heinrich Himmler (1952-1963) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to poor health)
Artur Axmann (1963-1978) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Resigned due to false Semitic heritage allegations)
Viktor Hitler (1978-2000) Greater Nazi Reich Party (Assassinated during a democratic coup led by the United States)
Period of turmoil. De facto Chancellor is Harald Quandt (2000-2001), son-in-law of Joseph Goebbels.
Dissolution of the Greater German Reich and the institution of a democratic, presidential republic. Conflict stops with Quandt's assassination.
So in this universe, Hitler is able to sign a stalemate in 1943 once his Russian campaign begins to falter. The United Kingdom - in this ATL, critically damaged by Germany's Luftwaffe - pressures the US to accept the treaty, forcing the USSR to agree as well. As a demonstration of cooperation, Hitler aides the Allies in the war against Japan, leading to the Empire's complete extermination by late 1944. An official peace treaty is signed, with Germany relinquishing certain territories and making military reductions, while maintaining certain territorial integrity and Nazi government. Germany abandons a hostile approach for several years, in order to build foreign trust. However, Hitler - severely affected by years of unmeasured drug intake and the stress of his position - is weak, and eventually dies in 1946 after contracting syphilis, which delivered the coup de grace.
Hitler appoints Joseph Goebbels as the new Führer on his deathbed. Goebbels continues most of Hitler's reforms, while investing intensively on the industry and state-approved flourishing of the arts and culture. Jews are continued to be persecuted. Death toll has reached over 11 million, and over 140 death camps exist throughout Nazi Europe. However, international human rights agencies are unable to do anything. The US leads undercover missions for extracting Jews into a liberated France and Canada, and slowly increases pressure for Goebbels to stop tormenting Jews. As the new decade comes around, Germany is an undisputed superpower, leading the international arms manufacturing industry and possessing the largest nuclear arsenal. The US has also grown considerably, leading to an increasingly-tense Cold War between them. The USSR, still unable to recover from WWII, slowly downgrades into the status of puppet state, providing cheap workforce and resources to the Nazis. Eventually, Goebbels dies in 1952, after a lifetime of intense smoking.
TBC... Reminds me of the list of In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove. I take inspiration from the great ones. They provide realism and plausibility when it comes to the counterfactual. |
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Post by James G on May 6, 2018 11:32:56 GMT
Alan Johnson, Prime Minister
Gordon Brown had taken over from Tony Blair in 2007 as Prime Minister. The new Labour leader inherited what Blair had left him though sought to mould the government in his own image. In doing so, he decided not - as expected by many - to go to the country for a mandate in late '07. Economic issues were his concern; a lack of backbone so said others. The Great Recession began the following year. Brown was formally challenged for the leadership in mid '08 by his foreign secretary, David Miliband. Others entered the contest.
Alan Johnson emerged victorious in the contested internal party election and became Prime Minister by late September '08. Like Brown before him, he had his own ideas for modernisation post-Blair. The Conservatives and the Lib-Dems demanded an immediate election now that the country was on it's third prime minister since the last election in '05. Johnson held out. He was trying to address the financial state of the country. His party repeatedly knifed him in the back but he held on until calling an election for May '10, the last possible moment.
The Conservatives won a majority, with the Lib-Dems coming third and not that far behind Labour in the popular vote though far enough in terms of seats to be in all honesty insignificant. Johnson was out of office - to be replaced in Downing Street by David Cameron - and also stood down as Labour leader following electoral defeat.
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Post by James G on May 6, 2018 14:25:31 GMT
Three Down: Ted Kennedy's presidency
Ted Kennedy - brother to both the slain JFK and RFK too - challenged Jimmy Carter for the Democratic nomination in 1980. Carter was the sitting president and surely a shoo-in for re-nomination by the party. Then came the 'bloodbath in Tehran' where a rescue attempt of the American hostages held by the Iranians went wrong with most of them killed along with almost a hundred US military personnel. This, adding into the economic situation and the disaster which was Carter's relationship with the Democratic-controlled Congress, saw Kennedy manage to win the nomination.
Kennedy faced Reagan in the election. It was one messy campaign with mud slung both ways. Kennedy eked out a victory and was inaugurated in January '81. From the start, he was targeted by extremists for assassination. He also had a terrible relationship with Congress after a falling-out with long-term ally Tip O'Neil. There were sex scandals all around. Kennedy went from one crisis to another. Abroad, he upset allies to match his domestic fights too. Everyone couldn't wait for it to be over when he was certain to lose in November '84 to the Republicans when they would take back the White House.
An assassin got Kennedy first. A lone nut with a grudge, according to the official inquiry, managed to kill him in December '83. Jerry Brown replaced him as president with the former vice president leading a country which didn't mourn Ted like they had mourned his brothers. All of the promise, all of the hope, had been thrown away in three years of turmoil, scandal and anger.
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Post by James G on May 8, 2018 21:38:41 GMT
Early Gipper: Reagan four years early
Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford for the Republican nomination for the 1976 election. Ford was the incumbent president but was only there after first Agnew had resigned as vice president and then Nixon as president. Ford was popular with the party establishment and Reagan seen as an extremist. Once running, Reagan connected with the voters though in the primary contests held. He defeated Ford and then went into the election against Carter from the Democrats. It was close but Reagan edged it.
Reagan's first term saw conflicts overseas in Iran which threatened to drag the United States into that internal mess and also a stand-off with the Soviets following their move into Afghanistan. Reagan was credited with facing down the Iranian revolutionaries and also the old and (supposedly) frightened Brezhnev. At home, Reagan had less success with economic problems through much of his term. Ted Kennedy ran against him in 1980 and lost, only just. Reagan was strong on foreign affairs but had been weak at home on domestic economic matters: thankfully, Kennedy's campaign was beset by scandals when it came to the senator's private life.
During his second term, again it was overseas events which saw Reagan seen as strong. Castro's interference in Central America was faced down and the danger feared of the region going Red receded. At home, the economy improved and Reagan took the credit... when in his first term he had tried to dodge the blame when things went bad. His term came to an end in January 1985. Many wished he could have run again.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 20:20:21 GMT
Out of the Blue (into the fire) universe
US Presidents list.
1. George Washington
(1789-1797) | John Adams (1789-1797) |
| 2. John Adams (1797-1801)
| Thomas Jefferson (1797-1801)
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| 3. Thomas Jefferson
(1801-1809) | Aaron Burr (1801-1805) |
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| George Clinton (1805-1809) |
| 4. James Madison
(1809-1817) | George Clinton (1809-1812) |
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| Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) |
| 5. James Monroe (1817-1825)
| Daniel D. Tompkins (1817-1825) |
| 6. John Quincy Adams
(1825-1829) | John C. Calhoun (1825-1829) |
| 7. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837)
| John C. Calhoun (1829-1832) |
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| Martin Van Buren (1833-1837)
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| 8. Martin Van Buren
(1837-1841) | Richard M. Johnson (1837-1841) |
| 9. William Henry Harrison (1841)
| John Tyler (1841) |
| 10. John Tyler (1841-1845)
| none |
| 11. James K. Polk
(1845-1849) | George M. Dallas (1845-1849) |
| 12. Zachary Taylor
(1849-1850) | Millard Fillmore (1849-1850) |
| 13. Millard Fillmore
(1850-1853)
| none |
| 14. Franklin Pierce
(1853-1857) | William King (1853) |
| 15. James Buchanan
(1857-1861) | John C. Breckinridge
(1857-1861) |
| 16. Abraham Lincoln
(R, 1861-1865) | Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865)
| Interference begins here. President assassinated, assassin never caught. | 17. Hannibal Hamlin
(NU, 1865-1869) | Edwin Stanton (1865-1869) | Theodore Roosevelt dies of asthma attack, 1869 | 18. Ulysses S. Grant
(R, 1869-1877)
| Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) |
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| Henry Wilson (1873-1875) |
| 19. Samuel J Tilden
(D, 1877-1881)
| Thomas Hendricks (1877-1881)
| Rutherford Hayes loses. President impeached 1879, exonerated 1880 | 20. James G. Blaine
(R, 1881-1889) | Chester A. Arthur (1881-1886) |
| 21. Grover Cleveland
(D, 1889-1897) | Allen G. Thurman (1889-1897) | One term only. | 22. William McKinley
(R, 1897-1901) | Garret Hobart (1897-1899)
| President assassinated. Assassin arrested and executed. |
| Levi P. Morton (1900-1901)
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| 23. Levi P. Morton
(R, 1901-1905) | none | William Howard Taft dies in Manila, Phillipines, 1901 | 24. Alton B. Parker
(D, 1905-1913) | Henry G. Davis (1905-1913) |
| 25. Charles E. Hughes
(R, 1913-1921)
| Charles G. Dawes (1913-1921)
| US declare war on Germany August 1915. Germany defeated February 1918 | 26. Charles G. Dawes
(R, 1921-1929) | Calvin Coolidge (1921-1929) |
| 27. Alfred Lewis
(D, 1929-1933) | Charles Curtis (1929-1933) | Wall Street crash/Great Depression/No Hoover moratorium. | 28. Herbert Hoover
(R. 1933-1945) | Alfred Landon (1933-1940)
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Post by insect on May 11, 2018 23:23:51 GMT
Ford win"s!
36. Gerald Ford Republican NELSON Rockefeller 1974-1981
37. Gary Hart Democratic John Glenn 1981-1989
38. John Glenn Democratic Paul Simon 1989 - 1993
39. Ross Perot Unity Eugene McCarthy 1993-2001
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Post by James G on Jun 2, 2018 19:03:26 GMT
Prime Minister Shoelaces: Norman Lamont's premiership
On Feb. 7th 1991, the IRA targeted the British Government with a mortar attack on Downing Street. The War Cabinet dealing with the war with Iraq, headed by Prime Minister John Major, was meeting when the IRA struck. This was something very long in the planning, initially projected to kill Thatcher but Major had taken over only a few months beforehand.
Three mortar shells were fired from a parked van at Downing Street with one exploding atop the Cabinet Room at the rear of No. 10.
Almost all of those present were killed including Major, the Defence & Foreign Secretaries as well as several junior ministers and senior officials.
Chancellor Lamont was tying a shoelace at the very moment of the attack and the force of the blast pushed him beneath the table fully, saving his life. Fate it was.
The government was put back together. Lamont took Major's role and led the nation post-attack.
The fallout from the mass assassination was severe but not draconian. Domestically, Lamont led a country which took a lesser role in Europe - Maastricht wasn't signed by the UK - and at home suffered an early economic crash. Lamont didn't connect with the voters, not at all.
Kinnock's Labour defeated Lamont's Conservatives at the May 1992 election: PM Shoelaces lasted a year and a quarter.
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Post by stevep on Jun 3, 2018 8:47:43 GMT
Prime Minister Shoelaces: Norman Lamont's premiershipOn Feb. 7th 1991, the IRA targeted the British Government with a mortar attack on Downing Street. The War Cabinet dealing with the war with Iraq, headed by Prime Minister John Major, was meeting when the IRA struck. This was something very long in the planning, initially projected to kill Thatcher but Major had taken over only a few months beforehand. Three mortar shells were fired from a parked van at Downing Street with one exploding atop the Cabinet Room at the rear of No. 10. Almost all of those present were killed including Major, the Defence & Foreign Secretaries as well as several junior ministers and senior officials. Chancellor Lamont was tying a shoelace at the very moment of the attack and the force of the blast pushed him beneath the table fully, saving his life. Fate it was. The government was put back together. Lamont took Major's role and led the nation post-attack. The fallout from the mass assassination was severe but not draconian. Domestically, Lamont led a country which took a lesser role in Europe - Maastricht wasn't signed by the UK - and at home suffered an early economic crash. Lamont didn't connect with the voters, not at all. Kinnock's Labour defeated Lamont's Conservatives at the May 1992 election: PM Shoelaces lasted a year and a quarter.
That could be bad. Kinnock, for all that he had started moving against the hard liners doesn't have the same gravitates as Smith would have had so there's the danger of a muddled and weak Labour government with the Tories still clinging to Thatcherism and making a come-back in 4-5 years which would kill any chance of economic reform and revival. Also can't remember what Kinnock's views on the EU were so you could see him being even weaker than Major on it.
I suppose there's the possibility that he could be more favourable to electoral reform which would help stablish politics in Britain by weakening the drive to the extremes. You would have parties and groups forces to either come up with serious policies to get power rather than hard line rants to their minorities. Or an I being too optimistic about British politicians here?
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Post by James G on Jun 3, 2018 18:48:32 GMT
Prime Minister Shoelaces: Norman Lamont's premiershipOn Feb. 7th 1991, the IRA targeted the British Government with a mortar attack on Downing Street. The War Cabinet dealing with the war with Iraq, headed by Prime Minister John Major, was meeting when the IRA struck. This was something very long in the planning, initially projected to kill Thatcher but Major had taken over only a few months beforehand. Three mortar shells were fired from a parked van at Downing Street with one exploding atop the Cabinet Room at the rear of No. 10. Almost all of those present were killed including Major, the Defence & Foreign Secretaries as well as several junior ministers and senior officials. Chancellor Lamont was tying a shoelace at the very moment of the attack and the force of the blast pushed him beneath the table fully, saving his life. Fate it was. The government was put back together. Lamont took Major's role and led the nation post-attack. The fallout from the mass assassination was severe but not draconian. Domestically, Lamont led a country which took a lesser role in Europe - Maastricht wasn't signed by the UK - and at home suffered an early economic crash. Lamont didn't connect with the voters, not at all. Kinnock's Labour defeated Lamont's Conservatives at the May 1992 election: PM Shoelaces lasted a year and a quarter.
That could be bad. Kinnock, for all that he had started moving against the hard liners doesn't have the same gravitates as Smith would have had so there's the danger of a muddled and weak Labour government with the Tories still clinging to Thatcherism and making a come-back in 4-5 years which would kill any chance of economic reform and revival. Also can't remember what Kinnock's views on the EU were so you could see him being even weaker than Major on it.
I suppose there's the possibility that he could be more favourable to electoral reform which would help stablish politics in Britain by weakening the drive to the extremes. You would have parties and groups forces to either come up with serious policies to get power rather than hard line rants to their minorities. Or an I being too optimistic about British politicians here?
No Major would change plenty. Lamont wasn't keen on the EEC and here (in this short piece; which I'd love to write a real story of) he really upsets Europe. Could Kinnock fix that? Maybe, but Labour under Kinnock was a different Labour to what it was under Smith then Blair. A very different future it would be. |
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Post by James G on Jun 4, 2018 19:35:46 GMT
Eagle Claw Brings Nine Months: Walter Mondale's Presidency
President Jimmy Carter resigned days after what became the 'massacre in Tehran' in late April 1980 following the aborted rescue of the hostages held by Iran. Eagle Claw resulted in a massive battle inside Tehran where hundreds of Iranian civilians lost their lives alongside dozens of American servicemen too. Images of Hercules gunships blasting apart residential buildings inside the city followed by the crashing of them when shot down were broadcast across the world. The hostages weren't reached and more were taken when the Iranians detained many American journalists accusing them of being spies.
Carter was urged by many to stay on but he didn't and resigned from office to hand over power to his VP, Walter Mondale. Mondale had to deal with the fallout from Eagle Claw and also tried to contest the election at home that November. His presidency was short and traumatic for him plus the nation. He lost to Reagan and handed over the powers of the presidency in January 1981. Poor Mondale would eventually be a footnote in history.
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