Presidents, PMs, Chancellors, General Secretaries and even Popes: Alternate lists of leaders

[lordroel]

Jan 25, 2019 1:37:58 GMT insect said:

Gary Hart Democratic 1989-1997 loyed Benton

Can you explain what this is please.

[insect]

Jan 25, 2019 13:42:12 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 25, 2019 1:37:58 GMT insect said:

Gary Hart Democratic 1989-1997 loyed Benton

Can you explain what this is please.

  having trouble with the keyboard.


41.Gary Hart Democratic 1989-1997 lloyd Benton  Democratic

def. George H.Bush /dan Quayle Republican

def.  Bob Dole/Jack Kemp republican

42.Ross  Perot 1997-2001 Ross Perot  Reform


43.George W.Bush/Dick Cheney



def.Billbradly/Joe leiber man



44/john KERY/John EDWARDS



DEF. gEORGE W. Bush


def. Joe Biddon/Al Gore (d) 


def. John Mccain/Joe lieberman(r)

Mitt Romney   2009-2017  Sarah Palin Republican


def.John Kerry/Russ Feingold(edwarsd resined feinold is v.p,
def.  Donald Trump /Hilary Clinton (d)




43, Barrack Obama Democratic 2017-  Russ Feingold


def. Ted Cruz  (R)  John Kasich 

[James G]

21st Century One-term US Presidents

Al Gore (Dem) - 2001 to 2005
After winning the Florida recount decision, Gore beats Bush Jnr.
9/11 occurs.

Rudy Giuliani (Rep) - 2005 to 2009
On the back of the Clinton/Gore 'failure' to stop 9/11, Senator Giuliani wins the presidency. [#1]
The economy sinks in late 2008.

Hillary Clinton (Dem) - 2009 to 2013
Governor of Illinois. [#2] Beats Rudy the second time around.
Hit by scandal after scandal plus an economic collapse.

Jeb Bush (Rep) - 2013 to 2017
'Bush beats Clinton' in revenge for 1992.
Another scandal-hit presidency sinks Bush 43.

Terry McAuliffe (Dem) - 2017 to ? ? ? ?
Smashes Bush in a coast-to-coast victory stunning all projections.

#1. Giuliani has no mad weeks in April/May 2000 and beats Clinton for the Senate the next year.
#2. Clinton ran for governor in 2002 and went onwards from there.

[James G]

The Brown Years, version 2


John Major (Conservative) - November 1990 to May 1997
Taking over after Thatcher's resignation, Major led a government initially infused with confidence and to a victorious general election in 1992.
Soon after that shock win, the economy crashed. It recovered in time but the fatal damage was done. Worse were the repeated scandals around his government of a personal nature. His credibility was ruined and Major was a figure of mockery. In opposition, the Labour Party moved ready for government and beat him in 1997.

John Smith (Labour) - May 1997 to October 1998
Suffering two serious but non-fatal heart attacks in 1988 and '94, there were many who urged Smith to stand down from the pressures of party leadership. He fought on though. Smith won power in '97 and set about governing Britain with quite the agenda. His premiership was one of hope though little flash. A very sensible man he was effective in Downing Street.
Smith had a third, fatal heart attack in October '98. He died at Chequers, not in Downing Street as initially reported.

Gordon Brown (Labour) - October 1998 to May 2001
Beating Blair for the battle for the leadership after Smith's death, Brown inherited a strong position. He had been the Chancellor and appeared to know what he was doing there in the Treasury. Moving to Downing Street, he ruled his party and the country well and weathered economic concern as well as Cabinet disunity on matters such as Europe. Blair's resignation from the role of Home Secretary on the matter of Europe was a challenge fought off.
Though he had another year left before he needed to, Brown called an election in 2001.
Things went wrong. The Conservatives made a comeback after their small-ish defeat in 1997 and won narrowly to force him and Labour out. Brown bowed out after a fight he should have waited to have... seeing Blair take the party reins in opposition afterwards was a terrible humiliation for him.

[insect]

1961-1969: John F. Kennedy /Lyndon B.Johnson (D)
def.19 1960 Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R)1964 Barry Goldwater/William E. Miller.(R)1964
1969-1977: Nelson Rockefeller / William Scranton (R)
Henry M. Jackson/George Smathers (D)1968.Sam yorty/Wilbur Miles (D).1972.
1977-1981.Ronaled Reagan/Gerald Ford
def. Mo Udall/John V.Lindsay (D) 1976.
1981-1989
Robert F.Kennedy/John Glenn
def, Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford.1980/

[James G]

Foot comes early, so does Thatcher


Harold Wilson (Labour) - March 1974 to April 1976
Wilson became Prime Minister the second time around when Labour won victory at the polls in '74. His second term was far shorter than his first one had been.
Concerns over his heath led him to announce his resignation and thus triggering a leadership race.

Michael Foot (Labour) - April 1976 to May 1978
Jim Callaghan was supposed to win the party leadership according to wise heads but Foot beat him too it after securing the support of Tony Benn not to run against him. This alliance shocked many out worked out well... especially for Benn.
Much of the rest of the country would disagree over how good it was for them. Internal party arguments drove MPs out eventually leading to them sitting as independents under the banner 'National Labour'.

Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) - May 1978 to ?? ??
The Foot-Benn alliance was on shaky ground once the National Labour movement had more than a dozen MPs and the Liberals (who propped up Foot) lost their patience. Eventually, things came to head when one more defection out of Labour was enough. Thatcher called a vote of no confidence and won handily, with Liberal support too.
She then went on to win the resulting general election... off-loading the Liberals from any future cooperation once she had a significant majority in parliament via the polls.

[stevep]

Jun 20, 2019 19:31:38 GMT James G said:

Foot comes early, so does Thatcher


Harold Wilson (Labour) - March 1974 to April 1976
Wilson became Prime Minister the second time around when Labour won victory at the polls in '74. His second term was far shorter than his first one had been.
Concerns over his heath led him to announce his resignation and thus triggering a leadership race.

Michael Foot (Labour) - April 1976 to May 1978
Jim Callaghan was supposed to win the party leadership according to wise heads but Foot beat him too it after securing the support of Tony Benn not to run against him. This alliance shocked many out worked out well... especially for Benn.
Much of the rest of the country would disagree over how good it was for them. Internal party arguments drove MPs out eventually leading to them sitting as independents under the banner 'National Labour'.

Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) - May 1978 to ?? ??
The Foot-Benn alliance was on shaky ground once the National Labour movement had more than a dozen MPs and the Liberals (who propped up Foot) lost their patience. Eventually, things came to head when one more defection out of Labour was enough. Thatcher called a vote of no confidence and won handily, with Liberal support too.
She then went on to win the resulting general election... off-loading the Liberals from any future cooperation once she had a significant majority in parliament via the polls.

  Well that brings her in a year earlier which might make a difference, possibly depending on how Labour respond to their defeat.  If they re-elect a moderate earlier, especially since National Labour haven't allied with the Liberals as OTL, they might be strong enough to defeat her at the next election. 

  Also is there still a Falkland's war and if so how does it go.  IIRC there was a time during Callaghan's premiership when there were signed that the regime in Argentina were thinking about an attack and the government sent a SSN down and let them know about it and they backed down.  If this was post May 78 and still occurred then she might not listen to the civil servants so there could be a war then, which Britain would probably win given the naval strength at the time but coming so early in her command could reflect badly on her.  Or if it occurred as OTL then an extra year of naval cuts could mean that Britain can't liberate the islands.  Which would be very bad for the inhabitants but could be good for Britain, depending on the nature of a successful Labour government in 1983 say.

[insect]

[/b Either way Brown gets it,

38.Gerald Ford/Robert Dole Republican 1977-1981
def. Jimmy Carter /Walter Mondale 1976
39.Jerry Brown/Hugh carey 1981-1989
def. Ronald Reagan/George H. Bush 1980

or

1977
38.Ronald W. Reagan/Richard seltzer republican
DEF. GERALD FORD IN primary. Jimmay Carter/walter Mondale
39.Jerry Brown/Jerry Litton
def. Ronald Reagan/Geroge H. Bush 1980

[James G]

Jun 25, 2019 1:54:29 GMT insect said:

[/b Either way Brown gets it,

38.Gerald Ford/Robert Dole Republican 1977-1981
def. Jimmy Carter /Walter Mondale 1976
39.Jerry Brown/Hugh carey 1981-1989
def. Ronald Reagan/George H. Bush 1980

or

1977
38.Ronald W. Reagan/Richard seltzer republican
DEF. GERALD FORD IN primary. Jimmay Carter/walter Mondale
39.Jerry Brown/Jerry Litton
def. Ronald Reagan/Geroge H. Bush 1980

When he moves into the White House, will Brown bring his girlfriend to live there?

[insect]

Jun 25, 2019 8:36:42 GMT James G said:

When he moves into the White House, will Brown bring his girlfriend to live there?














They get married!!

[lordroel]

Jun 25, 2019 21:41:29 GMT insect said:

Jun 25, 2019 8:36:42 GMT James G said:

When he moves into the White House, will Brown bring his girlfriend to live there?They get married!!

Do not see a responds insect,

[James G]

No more Dave


David 'Dave' Cameron (Conservative) - May 2010 to July 2012
Elected with a plurality though not a majority, Cameron's Conservatives took office as part of a coalition with the Lib-Dems after Brown was defeated in 2010. Clegg was his deputy PM.
The day before the London Olympics opened, Cameron suffered an unexpected and fatal aneurism. He died before medical attention could be of any help.

George Osborne (Conservative) - July 2012 to May 2015
Within hours of Cameron's death, Clegg's role as deputy PM notwithstanding, Osborne was selected by his Cabinet colleagues in an emergency meeting to be prime minister: the Queen invited him to form a government, still with the Lib-Dems, at a special meeting the next morning. There were some efforts made to launch a challenge in a leadership election, but backroom deals in government stopped this. Osborne served as leader of country and party until the next general election.

Edward 'Ed' Miliband (Labour) - May 2015 to October 2015
Osborne lost to Miliband's Labour though, like in 2010, the 2015 election saw no party win an outright majority. Miliband had to form a rainbow coalition while included the gutted Lib-Dems (down to nine seats), but in the main with support from the Scottish Nationalist Party with further votes added by Plaid Cymru, the SDLP from Ulster and two Greens.
Miliband didn't look long in office at all and that was soon the case after by-elections and several Labour MPs going independent. A vote of no confidence brought down Miliband within months leading to a second 2015 election.

Boris Johnson (Conservative) - October 2015 to ?? ??
An MP for only a few months, and only recently having quit the London Mayor role too, Boris romped home first in a short leadership race (at the last minute May dropped out after a damaging newspaper interview) and then at the year's second general election.
The nation held its breath as Boris bounced into Downing Street: he'd won an outright majority, the first for any UK prime minister since 2005.

[Middlesex_Toffeeman]

I'm not sure if we have a special thread for this so I will create it here.
Scotland as Finland: A List of Fictional Political Parties.


Backstory:
The Republic of Scotland (Scots Republic) is a Northern European country, which declared independence from the United Kingdom after the Independent Labour Party deposed the ”German” royal family and declared a Republic with Arthur Hutchinson as leader. Following the English Workers' Republic choosing to turn against Ramsay MacDonald, anti-English feeling north of the border culminated in the Springtime War (Wee Ware War) where Scotland lost the border areas of Roxburghshire (Coonty o Roxburgh) and Wigtownshire (Coonty o Wigtoun). Scotland is a developed country and a signatory of the European Compact. The official languages of Scotland are Lallans (Scots) and Gaelic, spoken mainly in the Western Isles.


Parties:
Left-Weeng Alliance
Led by Roísin McLauren, the LWA is a strongly left-wing party and the furthest left party in the Representatie Assemmly. It was formed from the old Scots Communist Pairty (founded by Ramsay MacDonald) and advocates for socialism. It made international news when it advocated a universal basic income, although a trial in Inverness didn't go to plan.

Green Pairty o Scotland
Led by Maggie Chapman, the Greens have had only limited success in the past but have increased in their fortunes recently. They currently form part of the government and are a member of the International League for the Environment.

Democratic Pairty
A centre-left party, they are currently led by Nicola Sturgeon. Following the care home scandal that rocked Stranraer, they have promised to further limit privatised healthcare and increase pensions by £250 a month.

Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba
A ”broad church” party under the leadership of Angus McNeil, the party's main policy is the retention of compulsory Gaelic in Scottish schools. As such, they are naturally at loggerheads with the Presbytarian and nationalist Trow Scots Pairty, which opposes the teaching of Gaelic and English in schools. They do well in the Outer Hebrides.

Centre Pairty
Spend most of their time (under Alex Salmond) trying to moderate the Democrats or the Scots Conservatie Pairty and keeping government centrist. Often work with the Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba.

Scots Conservatie Pairty
Centre-right economically, the Pairty ia ideologically centre-right and socially liberal. They backed the 2017 decision to legalise gay marriage and are led by Jackson Carlaw. The right of the party is closely associated with the right-wing Blaw Footur party, which split from the Trow Scots over the Niger Delta refugee crisis.

Cathlic Fowks Pairty
A right-wing party representing Scotland's Roman Catholic population. They were the only party to whip against gay marriage and take a pro-life stance on abortion, meaning that they are opposed strongly by the LWA. They received a lot of criticism after one of their MPs, Fr Joseph Fleming, stated that he believed homosexuality was a sin on live television.

Blaw Footur
Right-wing economically and less populist than the Trow Scots, Blaw Footur were decimated at the last election by a large amount, losing all of their MPs. Some of the party's MPs were considering defecting back to the Trow Scots before the election.

Trow Scots Pairty
Very right-wing socially and left-wing economically, Scotland's only far-right party holds around 40 seats in the Parliament. Members of the party are often found to have supported racist groups, and the party holds that Catholicism (particularly in the form of Catholic refugees from the Niger Delta) is ”un-Scottish”.


Thoughts on this list?

[lordroel]

Jul 6, 2019 7:09:14 GMT Middlesex_Toffeeman said:

I'm not sure if we have a special thread for this so I will create it here.
Scotland as Finland: A List of Fictional Political Parties.


Backstory:
The Republic of Scotland (Scots Republic) is a Northern European country, which declared independence from the United Kingdom after the Independent Labour Party deposed the ”German” royal family and declared a Republic with Arthur Hutchinson as leader. Following the English Workers' Republic choosing to turn against Ramsay MacDonald, anti-English feeling north of the border culminated in the Springtime War (Wee Ware War) where Scotland lost the border areas of Roxburghshire (Coonty o Roxburgh) and Wigtownshire (Coonty o Wigtoun). Scotland is a developed country and a signatory of the European Compact. The official languages of Scotland are Lallans (Scots) and Gaelic, spoken mainly in the Western Isles.


Parties:
Left-Weeng Alliance
Led by Roísin McLauren, the LWA is a strongly left-wing party and the furthest left party in the Representatie Assemmly. It was formed from the old Scots Communist Pairty (founded by Ramsay MacDonald) and advocates for socialism. It made international news when it advocated a universal basic income, although a trial in Inverness didn't go to plan.

Green Pairty o Scotland
Led by Maggie Chapman, the Greens have had only limited success in the past but have increased in their fortunes recently. They currently form part of the government and are a member of the International League for the Environment.

Democratic Pairty
A centre-left party, they are currently led by Nicola Sturgeon. Following the care home scandal that rocked Stranraer, they have promised to further limit privatised healthcare and increase pensions by £250 a month.

Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba
A ”broad church” party under the leadership of Angus McNeil, the party's main policy is the retention of compulsory Gaelic in Scottish schools. As such, they are naturally at loggerheads with the Presbytarian and nationalist Trow Scots Pairty, which opposes the teaching of Gaelic and English in schools. They do well in the Outer Hebrides.

Centre Pairty
Spend most of their time (under Alex Salmond) trying to moderate the Democrats or the Scots Conservatie Pairty and keeping government centrist. Often work with the Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba.

Scots Conservatie Pairty
Centre-right economically, the Pairty ia ideologically centre-right and socially liberal. They backed the 2017 decision to legalise gay marriage and are led by Jackson Carlaw. The right of the party is closely associated with the right-wing Blaw Footur party, which split from the Trow Scots over the Niger Delta refugee crisis.

Cathlic Fowks Pairty
A right-wing party representing Scotland's Roman Catholic population. They were the only party to whip against gay marriage and take a pro-life stance on abortion, meaning that they are opposed strongly by the LWA. They received a lot of criticism after one of their MPs, Fr Joseph Fleming, stated that he believed homosexuality was a sin on live television.

Blaw Footur
Right-wing economically and less populist than the Trow Scots, Blaw Footur were decimated at the last election by a large amount, losing all of their MPs. Some of the party's MPs were considering defecting back to the Trow Scots before the election.

Trow Scots Pairty
Very right-wing socially and left-wing economically, Scotland's only far-right party holds around 40 seats in the Parliament. Members of the party are often found to have supported racist groups, and the party holds that Catholicism (particularly in the form of Catholic refugees from the Niger Delta) is ”un-Scottish”.


Thoughts on this list?

Looks good Middlesex_Toffeeman.

[James G]

Jul 6, 2019 7:09:14 GMT Middlesex_Toffeeman said:

I'm not sure if we have a special thread for this so I will create it here.
Scotland as Finland: A List of Fictional Political Parties.


Backstory:
The Republic of Scotland (Scots Republic) is a Northern European country, which declared independence from the United Kingdom after the Independent Labour Party deposed the ”German” royal family and declared a Republic with Arthur Hutchinson as leader. Following the English Workers' Republic choosing to turn against Ramsay MacDonald, anti-English feeling north of the border culminated in the Springtime War (Wee Ware War) where Scotland lost the border areas of Roxburghshire (Coonty o Roxburgh) and Wigtownshire (Coonty o Wigtoun). Scotland is a developed country and a signatory of the European Compact. The official languages of Scotland are Lallans (Scots) and Gaelic, spoken mainly in the Western Isles.


Parties:
Left-Weeng Alliance
Led by Roísin McLauren, the LWA is a strongly left-wing party and the furthest left party in the Representatie Assemmly. It was formed from the old Scots Communist Pairty (founded by Ramsay MacDonald) and advocates for socialism. It made international news when it advocated a universal basic income, although a trial in Inverness didn't go to plan.

Green Pairty o Scotland
Led by Maggie Chapman, the Greens have had only limited success in the past but have increased in their fortunes recently. They currently form part of the government and are a member of the International League for the Environment.

Democratic Pairty
A centre-left party, they are currently led by Nicola Sturgeon. Following the care home scandal that rocked Stranraer, they have promised to further limit privatised healthcare and increase pensions by £250 a month.

Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba
A ”broad church” party under the leadership of Angus McNeil, the party's main policy is the retention of compulsory Gaelic in Scottish schools. As such, they are naturally at loggerheads with the Presbytarian and nationalist Trow Scots Pairty, which opposes the teaching of Gaelic and English in schools. They do well in the Outer Hebrides.

Centre Pairty
Spend most of their time (under Alex Salmond) trying to moderate the Democrats or the Scots Conservatie Pairty and keeping government centrist. Often work with the Pàrtaidh Gàidhlig na h-Alba.

Scots Conservatie Pairty
Centre-right economically, the Pairty ia ideologically centre-right and socially liberal. They backed the 2017 decision to legalise gay marriage and are led by Jackson Carlaw. The right of the party is closely associated with the right-wing Blaw Footur party, which split from the Trow Scots over the Niger Delta refugee crisis.

Cathlic Fowks Pairty
A right-wing party representing Scotland's Roman Catholic population. They were the only party to whip against gay marriage and take a pro-life stance on abortion, meaning that they are opposed strongly by the LWA. They received a lot of criticism after one of their MPs, Fr Joseph Fleming, stated that he believed homosexuality was a sin on live television.

Blaw Footur
Right-wing economically and less populist than the Trow Scots, Blaw Footur were decimated at the last election by a large amount, losing all of their MPs. Some of the party's MPs were considering defecting back to the Trow Scots before the election.

Trow Scots Pairty
Very right-wing socially and left-wing economically, Scotland's only far-right party holds around 40 seats in the Parliament. Members of the party are often found to have supported racist groups, and the party holds that Catholicism (particularly in the form of Catholic refugees from the Niger Delta) is ”un-Scottish”.


Thoughts on this list?

Good idea here. Backstory has enough to provide an understanding of the modern situation without being too detailed.
I've had ideas about alternate parties following different histories of countries before. I'll see what I can create if possible.