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Post by Zyobot on Aug 21, 2018 17:08:51 GMT
Throughout the 20th Century, the Asia-Pacific has been the sight of great turmoil and strife. Imperial Japan's rampage, the Chinese Civil War, and the nuke-backed politicking between capitalist America and communist Russia made this vast region into a sprawling battleground.
But fast-forward to the present day, and today's Asia-Pacific has become a geopolitical titan. Manufacturing, high technology and the world's largest population characterize one of the competitive economic zones in today's world. If this once-tumultuous area were to compete in another time, its collective power would be nothing less than formidable.
So what if ASB sends the present-day nations of Australia, the Fiji Islands, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Sri Lanka and Taiwan back to June 24, 1950--one day before the Korean War commences?
Hong Kong, due to being merely an autonomous zone subordinate to China, does not come along.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 21, 2018 17:22:47 GMT
Throughout the 20th Century, the Asia-Pacific has been the sight of great turmoil and strife. Imperial Japan's rampage, the Chinese Civil War, and the nuke-backed politicking between capitalist America and communist Russia made this vast region into a sprawling battleground. But fast-forward to the present day, and today's Asia-Pacific has become a geopolitical titan. Manufacturing, high technology and the world's largest population characterize one of the competitive economic zones in today's world. If this once-tumultuous area were to compete in another time, its collective power would be nothing less than formidable. So what if ASB sends the present-day nations of Australia, the Fiji Islands, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan and Thailand back to June 24, 1950--one day before the Korean War commences? The Cold War just got interesting.
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 21, 2018 17:24:03 GMT
Throughout the 20th Century, the Asia-Pacific has been the sight of great turmoil and strife. Imperial Japan's rampage, the Chinese Civil War, and the nuke-backed politicking between capitalist America and communist Russia made this vast region into a sprawling battleground. But fast-forward to the present day, and today's Asia-Pacific has become a geopolitical titan. Manufacturing, high technology and the world's largest population characterize one of the competitive economic zones in today's world. If this once-tumultuous area were to compete in another time, its collective power would be nothing less than formidable. So what if ASB sends the present-day nations of Australia, the Fiji Islands, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Korea, Sri Lanka and Taiwan back to June 24, 1950--one day before the Korean War commences? The Cold War just got interesting. Indeed, it has.
The Asia-Pacific's major players like Australia, India, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand are hit quite hard by the ISOT. They've just lost China and their other trading partners, after all. And I don't think that--for various reasons--they can bring their '50s counterparts up to speed for a while.
When the US and USSR find out about this, I want to see how they take the news. One thing's for sure, though: the latter will be pissed.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 21, 2018 17:25:56 GMT
The Cold War just got interesting. Indeed, it has. No North Korean War but I bet Stalin will be nervous now a China has appeared that is more advance than the Soviet Union.
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 21, 2018 17:31:53 GMT
No North Korean War but I bet Stalin will be nervous now a China has appeared that is more advance than the Soviet Union. This time around, the Korean War will probably go something like what's depicted in okmangeez's The Torch of Determination TL. And modern China wasn't ISOTed back, though (if it were, then the Kremlin would go absolutely bonkers).
But Stalin, Mao & Commie Company will freak out like crazy, as you said. They might do something stupid, for better or worse.
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Post by steffen on Aug 21, 2018 18:18:25 GMT
Again such moves are problematic.
Japan for example suddenly has the most developted total superior army, airforce and navy on that planet. A nation that could build the bomb in a week or two, that is - in economic terms dominating the planet.
In the same time the americans have lost lots of armed forces IN japan, just 5 years after the imperial japanese were forced to surrender after the brutal pacific war.
If the USA thinks they could sneak onto japan, bombard the cities (as punishment) and drop some nukes, they are in for a really bad day. Think about B29 against F15... with the japanese aegis-cruisers easily destroy a whole US fleet with the help of their attack subs.
Australia on the other hand also is much more powerful as UK, much more modern, again its (small but effective) armed forces could beat any resistance. Esp. the french would quickly get an information that they have to piss off with certain islands, because Australia had a very clear opinion in the last 30 years about french nukes (they know WILL come here).
Overall all modern countries moved in time are now superior, as mentioned japan is the strongest, with enough know how and nuclear material to build bombs, quite fast... also has the technology for building ICBMs - so no hope for the USA to be safe.
India - shutter - IS a nuclear power, compared to India USA and russia together are basically helpless. Modern india has a strong army and nukes. I bet they will demand and get a permenent seat in the UN and they get what USA, Russia, UK and france had. A veto right.
Just think about armed forces... modern tanks in numbers (india has how many?) against russia - ouch. Massacres and then russia is defeated.
5 years later the world has changed. Clear nr.1 is India, followed by japan (who both have conquered arabia, to secure the oil here)... then the USA is 3rd, challanged by south korea... russia is a radioactive wasteland, with curtsey from india. Areas in siberia now are independent and support india and japan with needed ressources.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 21, 2018 18:22:02 GMT
Again such moves are problematic. Japan for example suddenly has the most developted total superior army, airforce and navy on that planet. A nation that could build the bomb in a week or two, that is - in economic terms dominating the planet. In the same time the americans have lost lots of armed forces IN japan, just 5 years after the imperial japanese were forced to surrender after the brutal pacific war. If the USA thinks they could sneak onto japan, bombard the cities (as punishment) and drop some nukes, they are in for a really bad day. Think about B29 against F15... with the japanese aegis-cruisers easily destroy a whole US fleet with the help of their attack subs. Well if Zyobot cann answer it, where US forces in Japan and South Korea transported along.
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Post by stevep on Aug 21, 2018 21:31:59 GMT
No North Korean War but I bet Stalin will be nervous now a China has appeared that is more advance than the Soviet Union.
Given the relatively short notice and Kim's nature I suspect he will still attack but the N Korean forces will get hammered pretty damned quickly once the S Korean's get over their surprise. It could also be awkward for China if Mao tries to intervene as the Korean forces, while probably still considerably outnumbered will have such a qualitative edge over Chinese 'volunteers' let alone when backed by downtime western allies.
In one way the west may be more worried that the communists provided neither Stalin or Mao does anything really stupid. Japan, a devastated nation defeated only 5 years ago is way ahead of the west in just about every measure by now while India will also be worrying to both the great powers and a lot of its neighbours. Britain, France and the Netherlands have all lost colonies while the US has lost its position in the Philippines and much real influence across the western Pacific and S Asia. How quickly they recognise and accept this could be a key point.
Since the ISOT doesn't include Pakistan - which at this point includes OTL Bangladesh - or Burma there is the possibility that India may consider seeking to 'reunify' the former British India, which would be relatively easy given the huge technological and demographic advantage 2018 India has although it would be likely to cause a hell of a lot of concern in other areas. They might also contest Chinese domination of Tibet.
The 1950 world is going to be hugely shocked by other the economic and industrial power of the ISOT lands and also the social and other changes they hear about. That's going to cause a hell of a lot of discussion if not division in the west and to a lesser degree in the communist bloc. [Since ordinary people in the latter are going to be a lot less aware of actual events]. You could however see some nasty purges in both the Soviet and Communist empires as Stalin and Mao both seek to remove future 'enemies'. I can see both Khrushchev and Deng having much shorter lives in this world.
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 21, 2018 21:38:59 GMT
Again such moves are problematic. Japan for example suddenly has the most developted total superior army, airforce and navy on that planet. A nation that could build the bomb in a week or two, that is - in economic terms dominating the planet. In the same time the americans have lost lots of armed forces IN japan, just 5 years after the imperial japanese were forced to surrender after the brutal pacific war. If the USA thinks they could sneak onto japan, bombard the cities (as punishment) and drop some nukes, they are in for a really bad day. Think about B29 against F15... with the japanese aegis-cruisers easily destroy a whole US fleet with the help of their attack subs. Well if Zyobot cann answer it, where US forces in Japan and South Korea transported along. From what I've gleaned, United States Indo-Pacific Command is a rather impressive peacetime force. It has 375,000 military and civilian personnel total.
The Marine Corps presence sports 86,000 personnel and 640 aircraft organized into two Expeditionary Forces. The Pacific Fleet boasts 200 ships including 5 aircraft strike carrier groups, about 1,100 aircraft and over 130,000 sailors and civilians. US Pacific Air Forces possess 46,000 airman and civilians, with over 420 aircraft. Throughout the region, the Army fields 106,000 personnel from one corps and two divisions, more than 300 aircraft and five watercraft; but since these forces also span Alaska and Hawaii, a large swath of them are lost in the ISOT.
On top of that, their headquarters is also just outside of Honolulu, so they no longer have that either.
As for their less overtly martial assets, component command personnel number above 1,200 Special Operations members, while Department of Defense employees amount to 38,000 or so.
So not the most comprehensive briefing, but it's the best that I can do within an hour or so of Google searching.
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Post by stevep on Aug 21, 2018 21:40:01 GMT
Again such moves are problematic. Japan for example suddenly has the most developted total superior army, airforce and navy on that planet. A nation that could build the bomb in a week or two, that is - in economic terms dominating the planet. In the same time the americans have lost lots of armed forces IN japan, just 5 years after the imperial japanese were forced to surrender after the brutal pacific war. If the USA thinks they could sneak onto japan, bombard the cities (as punishment) and drop some nukes, they are in for a really bad day. Think about B29 against F15... with the japanese aegis-cruisers easily destroy a whole US fleet with the help of their attack subs. Well if Zyobot cann answer it, where US forces in Japan and South Korea transported along.
Even if they are I'm pretty certain they were minimal in terms of land forces. The USN probably have substantial elements of its fleet in the affected area and to a lesser degree Britain but those would be mainly concerning the balance with other down-time powers.
PS ninjed by zyobot and looks like the US may have lost more of its forces than I realised as while some would be in Hawaii and other unaffected regions a lot of what he mentions were probably in Japan or the Philiipines or at sea in the region.
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 21, 2018 22:30:23 GMT
steffen Regarding India, woo-boy. These will be some pretty frightening stats.
For starters, they've got hordes of manpower to draw upon. The actual military has 4,207,250 personnel--1,362,500 active and 2,844,750 reservists. That's out of a total population of about 1.282 billion, 489.6 million of which are available for service if India decides to conscript them. I doubt that'll happen, but still.
To accompany all those boots on the ground are armored and mechanized forces, also present in concerning numbers. They consist of 4,426 combat tanks, 3,147 armored fighting vehicles, 190 self-propelled artillery pieces, 4,158 towed artillery pieces and 266 rocket projectors.
India boasts 2,185 military aircraft: 590 fighters, 804 attack craft, 708 transports, 251 trainer craft and 720 helicopters; 15 of them are attack copters. It's likely that some have been modified and trained to carry gravity nuclear bombs to their targets.
As for their navy, India ranks in seventh place. Their 295 naval assets are separated into 14 frigates, 11 destroyers, 22 corvettes, 16 submarines, 139 patrol craft, 4 mine warfare vessels and 1 aircraft carrier. The latter may not be as much as America's 19 out of the world's 36 carriers in 2018, but it'll make a huge difference in the 1950s world.
A problem arises in their petroleum supply, however. While they have plenty of proven reserves (4.621 billion barrels), they produce 734,500 barrels/day--a little over 21% of the 3.51 million they consume daily. They need to address that aspect of the economy, and fast.
The Indian Elephant in the room arises in their nuclear arsenal. In the air, land and sea their military fields 100 of such weapons. It's estimated to possess at least 520 kilograms of plutonium, sufficient to build 100 to 120 nukes; thanks, Arms Control Association for that one. Fortunately, it also has a No First Use policy, though I wonder if they'll make an exception in this case.
Again, not the most elaborate summation of Indian firepower. But like before, I can only do so much within an hour or so of Google searching.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 3:52:57 GMT
steffen Regarding India, woo-boy. These will be some pretty frightening stats.
For starters, they've got hordes of manpower to draw upon. The actual military has 4,207,250 personnel--1,362,500 active and 2,844,750 reservists. That's out of a total population of about 1.282 billion, 489.6 million of which are available for service if India decides to conscript them. I doubt that'll happen, but still.
To accompany all those boots on the ground are armored and mechanized forces, also present in concerning numbers. They consist of 4,426 combat tanks, 3,147 armored fighting vehicles, 190 self-propelled artillery pieces, 4,158 towed artillery pieces and 266 rocket projectors.
India boasts 2,185 military aircraft: 590 fighters, 804 attack craft, 708 transports, 251 trainer craft and 720 helicopters; 15 of them are attack copters. It's likely that some have been modified and trained to carry gravity nuclear bombs to their targets.
As for their navy, India ranks in seventh place. Their 295 naval assets are separated into 14 frigates, 11 destroyers, 22 corvettes, 16 submarines, 139 patrol craft, 4 mine warfare vessels and 1 aircraft carrier. The latter may not be as much as America's 19 out of the world's 36 carriers in 2018, but it'll make a huge difference in the 1950s world.
A problem arises in their petroleum supply, however. While they have plenty of proven reserves (4.621 billion barrels), they produce 734,500 barrels/day--a little over 21% of the 3.51 million they consume daily. They need to address that aspect of the economy, and fast.
The Indian Elephant in the room arises in their nuclear arsenal. In the air, land and sea their military fields 100 of such weapons. It's estimated to possess at least 520 kilograms of plutonium, sufficient to build 100 to 120 nukes; thanks, Arms Control Association for that one. Fortunately, it also has a No First Use policy, though I wonder if they'll make an exception in this case.
Again, not the most elaborate summation of Indian firepower. But like before, I can only do so much within an hour or so of Google searching. Well North Korea has nukes (would that make then eligible to join the 1950 UN Security Council)., would like to see Truman face when he discovers that North Korea of 2018 can hit mainland America. South Korea and Japan might start their own programs.
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Post by stevep on Aug 22, 2018 9:08:37 GMT
steffen Regarding India, woo-boy. These will be some pretty frightening stats.
For starters, they've got hordes of manpower to draw upon. The actual military has 4,207,250 personnel--1,362,500 active and 2,844,750 reservists. That's out of a total population of about 1.282 billion, 489.6 million of which are available for service if India decides to conscript them. I doubt that'll happen, but still.
To accompany all those boots on the ground are armored and mechanized forces, also present in concerning numbers. They consist of 4,426 combat tanks, 3,147 armored fighting vehicles, 190 self-propelled artillery pieces, 4,158 towed artillery pieces and 266 rocket projectors.
India boasts 2,185 military aircraft: 590 fighters, 804 attack craft, 708 transports, 251 trainer craft and 720 helicopters; 15 of them are attack copters. It's likely that some have been modified and trained to carry gravity nuclear bombs to their targets.
As for their navy, India ranks in seventh place. Their 295 naval assets are separated into 14 frigates, 11 destroyers, 22 corvettes, 16 submarines, 139 patrol craft, 4 mine warfare vessels and 1 aircraft carrier. The latter may not be as much as America's 19 out of the world's 36 carriers in 2018, but it'll make a huge difference in the 1950s world.
A problem arises in their petroleum supply, however. While they have plenty of proven reserves (4.621 billion barrels), they produce 734,500 barrels/day--a little over 21% of the 3.51 million they consume daily. They need to address that aspect of the economy, and fast.
The Indian Elephant in the room arises in their nuclear arsenal. In the air, land and sea their military fields 100 of such weapons. It's estimated to possess at least 520 kilograms of plutonium, sufficient to build 100 to 120 nukes; thanks, Arms Control Association for that one. Fortunately, it also has a No First Use policy, though I wonder if they'll make an exception in this case.
Again, not the most elaborate summation of Indian firepower. But like before, I can only do so much within an hour or so of Google searching. Well North Korea has nukes (would that make then eligible to join the 1950 UN Security Council)., would like to see Truman face when he discovers that North Korea of 2018 can hit mainland America. South Korea and Japan might start their own programs.
Sorry I don't think so. According to the OP its only S Korea that has made it back to 1950 so the north has the original Kim and its hordes poised ready to invade, only to see what happens when his T-34's come across modern S Korean armour, and finds that instead of the minimal forces the south had in 1950 it has 2,500 modern tanks, a lot of very advanced artillery and full conscription. There is the chance since the ISOT is back to the day before the north attacks that Kim might listen to his officers telling him something strange has happened, for instance Seoul looking far bigger and more advanced and reports of far more forces on the border and postpone the invasion but that close I suspect not. See South_Korea#Military for a little more detail.
Just thinking I misunderstood something that was being said yesterday. If non-local forces in the affected areas are brought along and that includes the associated waters then it does make a difference as that would bring modern military units, such as the US forces in S Korea and some of the Japanese islands and their fleet at sea in the region along which would greatly boost the 1950 US forces, at least as long as the US could maintain and supply them. Ditto possibly with say Russian and Chinese forces at sea in the area and there are likely to be some other units for other powers not native to the region but their likely to be relatively minor.
One other factor is that 1950 US will not be happy with the loss of its down-time forces in Japan and probably concerned that the defeated and occupied enemy from [to them] 5 years ago is now building a powerful military again. Hopefully their up-time forces - if brought along - and others will prevent them doing anything rash.
Had a look at Steffen's post zyobot was replying to and don't see India devastating the Soviets as he suggested, at least unless Stalin is very, very stupid. However it could be terminal for Pakistan and there could possibly be a move into the ME to secure oil supplies, although the latter would upset a hell of a lot of people, including other up-timers. Also Mao's attempt to take over Tibet could run into problems.
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Post by steffen on Aug 22, 2018 10:54:03 GMT
The indian army is an unstoppable juggernaut. Just to remember, the OTL 1950 USA is no match for 2018-india, they have nukes themselves, propably H-bombs (i do not know this exactly, but for sure they know how they work, do not need to experiment about them, even 3- or 4-stage nukes are a possible! so expect indian h-bombs with 200-1000 Megatons are a possibility!)... India is the biggest democracy, but also not a place that runs for freedom. All the conflicts with pakistan (now without nukes, after a 12-18months old civil war a lot now old aged indians can remember with hate) are not forgotten. Basically India from the start is the nr.1 in everything... they will move their impressive and - with 1950-technics unstoppable navy to the oil fields in persia and iraq, remove unfriendly governments (if needed - Mossadeq could listen carefully about the evil british and americans who removed him and his democracy for the shah (some videos about it could help the indians)), so they get the needed oil on one way or the other quite early. Nobody could stop em, not the USA; not russia and for sure NOT the old british empire that is ready to fall appart now. Japan is similar, they are stellar ahead of anybody of the 1950ers, their car manufacturing industry alone could cripple the USA and all other manufacturing states Would you drive in a Lexus or some shitty 1950-sedans, Volkswagen or Austins? The nuclear powers are in the moment USA and russia (newcomer)... japan would be a quick fourth, with india the strongest nr.1. They can build easily more and stronger nukes, they will hate russia with stalin, they will hate china (as todays india is a zero friend of modern china, but they can not do much against em with all the nukes china have) Now this china is a weak and only 12 months old red menace... So i see japan and india as the big two working together, sharing the worlds oil in arabia and building weapons and high tech, including nukes. The USA is once informed to leave japan ground, if they don´t do that it could be ugly. We need really informations about the US armed forces of 2018... are they in south korea, japan and co or not? If yes, you basically have them as the most powerful armed forces, but lacking any supplies (the ones who build the technology are now hostile (Japan)... also don´t trust south korea either... they would want to reunite with north korea, but they will not want the US influence (thanks to Trump)... the 1950er USA is also no nice place for south-east asians, full of racists. To avoid 2 million deaths they take over easily the helpless north korean pup, if china start troubles the south koreans crush em merciless... in fact i see the then unified koreans take a large part of china to establish a defence zone, propably they will take the oil fields and other resource rich areas in the near. South korea also need no long time to build nukes, including missles... In short words: India take out pakistan, to pay some bills.. crushing the helpless neighbours, propably taking also bangladesh... for strategic points. They engage in a war with china (80% chance), dropping some nukes on the chinese to make a point to russia... they and japan, maybe also modern australia and south korea share the modern known oil fields...expect them buying british colonies in africa, like nigeria... i doubt australia would miss the chance to get its own oil... the1950ers are helpless.. their economy shortly will crash, at last the USA will be hit hardest, but also no german miracle, the japanese products are 100times more effective, cheaper and better... also the customer are 100% depending.. you do not sell the machinery, you allow the customers to rent em ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) 2028 i see the USA as a weak nr.5 in the world. Nr1 is India Nr2 is Japan Nr3 is South Korea Nr4 is australia maybe singapore and co are nr5, but propably it is the USA, but they have lost completly the "lead". If the indians are smart they support the blacks in the deep south, democracy and co... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) it would be also fun if india forbid france and UK to build nukes... that picture would be great... indian delegates move to london and inform the british that they are not allowed to build weapons of mass destruction ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) What an irony of history...
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 22, 2018 14:55:47 GMT
The indian army is an unstoppable juggernaut. Just to remember, the OTL 1950 USA is no match for 2018-india, they have nukes themselves, propably H-bombs (i do not know this exactly, but for sure they know how they work, do not need to experiment about them, even 3- or 4-stage nukes are a possible! so expect indian h-bombs with 200-1000 Megatons are a possibility!)... India is the biggest democracy, but also not a place that runs for freedom. All the conflicts with pakistan (now without nukes, after a 12-18months old civil war a lot now old aged indians can remember with hate) are not forgotten. Basically India from the start is the nr.1 in everything... they will move their impressive and - with 1950-technics unstoppable navy to the oil fields in persia and iraq, remove unfriendly governments (if needed - Mossadeq could listen carefully about the evil british and americans who removed him and his democracy for the shah (some videos about it could help the indians)), so they get the needed oil on one way or the other quite early. Nobody could stop em, not the USA; not russia and for sure NOT the old british empire that is ready to fall appart now. Japan is similar, they are stellar ahead of anybody of the 1950ers, their car manufacturing industry alone could cripple the USA and all other manufacturing states Would you drive in a Lexus or some shitty 1950-sedans, Volkswagen or Austins? The nuclear powers are in the moment USA and russia (newcomer)... japan would be a quick fourth, with india the strongest nr.1. They can build easily more and stronger nukes, they will hate russia with stalin, they will hate china (as todays india is a zero friend of modern china, but they can not do much against em with all the nukes china have) Now this china is a weak and only 12 months old red menace... So i see japan and india as the big two working together, sharing the worlds oil in arabia and building weapons and high tech, including nukes. The USA is once informed to leave japan ground, if they don´t do that it could be ugly. We need really informations about the US armed forces of 2018... are they in south korea, japan and co or not? If yes, you basically have them as the most powerful armed forces, but lacking any supplies (the ones who build the technology are now hostile (Japan)... also don´t trust south korea either... they would want to reunite with north korea, but they will not want the US influence (thanks to Trump)... the 1950er USA is also no nice place for south-east asians, full of racists. To avoid 2 million deaths they take over easily the helpless north korean pup, if china start troubles the south koreans crush em merciless... in fact i see the then unified koreans take a large part of china to establish a defence zone, propably they will take the oil fields and other resource rich areas in the near. South korea also need no long time to build nukes, including missles... In short words: India take out pakistan, to pay some bills.. crushing the helpless neighbours, propably taking also bangladesh... for strategic points. They engage in a war with china (80% chance), dropping some nukes on the chinese to make a point to russia... they and japan, maybe also modern australia and south korea share the modern known oil fields...expect them buying british colonies in africa, like nigeria... i doubt australia would miss the chance to get its own oil... the1950ers are helpless.. their economy shortly will crash, at last the USA will be hit hardest, but also no german miracle, the japanese products are 100times more effective, cheaper and better... also the customer are 100% depending.. you do not sell the machinery, you allow the customers to rent em ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) 2028 i see the USA as a weak nr.5 in the world. Nr1 is India Nr2 is Japan Nr3 is South Korea Nr4 is australia maybe singapore and co are nr5, but propably it is the USA, but they have lost completly the "lead". If the indians are smart they support the blacks in the deep south, democracy and co... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) it would be also fun if india forbid france and UK to build nukes... that picture would be great... indian delegates move to london and inform the british that they are not allowed to build weapons of mass destruction ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) What an irony of history... Japan dividing the world between itself and India Will not be possible or constructing nukes Will not be possible, its constitution specificly forbids it from possesing nukes or offensive force. This is why their military is called a "self-defence force" and not an army.
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