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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2018 15:56:02 GMT
1950 Hong Kong is a British Crown Colony? Yep that is correct.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 14:52:47 GMT
It's been ~2 months since anyone's replied here. Any other takers?
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 14:57:33 GMT
It's been ~2 months since anyone's replied here. Any other takers? A simple advice, bumping a thread if nobody has responded is not a nice thing.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 14:59:15 GMT
It's been ~2 months since anyone's replied here. Any other takers? A simple advice, bumping a thread if nobody has responded is not a nice thing. My mistake. I'll leave such threads be from now on.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 15:02:13 GMT
A simple advice, bumping a thread if nobody has responded is not a nice thing. My mistake. I'll leave such threads be from now on. You can respond to a thread, no problem, maybe somebody will respond to a question ore answer you have and thus restart a thread but simply asking if there are any takers is not nice.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 15:17:55 GMT
My mistake. I'll leave such threads be from now on. You can respond to a thread, no problem, maybe somebody will respond to a question ore answer you have and thus restart a thread but simply asking if there are any takers is not nice. Understood. I'll keep the prohibition of asking for takers in mind. To ask the needed question, what's the fate of uptimer US civilians and military personnel who were overseas when the ISOT occurred? They'd be faced with the dilemma of aligning with the socio-culturally similar, technologically up-to-speed Asia-Pacific powers, or much-too-socially-conservative '50s America--whose uptimer counterpart they pledged fealty to. Between those options, there should inevitably be legal disputes. And Washington, DC will almost surely want those professionals and servicemembers back. But how would they incentivize them to return and work on the US's behalf?
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Post by stevep on Dec 9, 2018 15:23:59 GMT
You can respond to a thread, no problem, maybe somebody will respond to a question ore answer you have and thus restart a thread but simply asking if there are any takers is not nice. Understood. I'll keep the prohibition of asking for takers in mind. To ask the needed question, what's the fate of uptimer US civilians and military personnel who were overseas when the ISOT occurred? They'd be faced with the dilemma of aligning with the socio-culturally similar, technologically up-to-speed Asia-Pacific powers, or much-too-socially-conservative '50s America--whose uptimer counterpart they pledged fealty to. Between those options, there should inevitably be legal disputes. And Washington, DC will almost surely want those professionals and servicemembers back. But how would they incentivize them to return and work on the US's behalf?
That's something that would apply to a lot of expats from the entire affected region as there are likely to be a fair number of those, including ones from countries that don't exist in 1950 or who might have a somewhat dubious acceptance in their 1950 equivalent. In most cases I think it would be up to the people involved, depending on their position, sense of identity etc as to whether they seek a position where they are now, in the 1950 equivalent or possibly in some cases in a 3rd location. People in official posts, especially in the military or diplomatic roles would probably feel more driven to go 'home' but the response is likely to vary a lot.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 15:24:36 GMT
You can respond to a thread, no problem, maybe somebody will respond to a question ore answer you have and thus restart a thread but simply asking if there are any takers is not nice. Understood. I'll keep the prohibition of asking for takers in mind. To ask the needed question, what's the fate of uptimer US civilians and military personnel who were overseas when the ISOT occurred? They'd be faced with the dilemma of aligning with the socio-culturally similar, technologically up-to-speed Asia-Pacific powers, or much-too-socially-conservative '50s America--whose uptimer counterpart they pledged fealty to. Between those options, there should inevitably be legal disputes. What about a Free American government, i can imagine that one ore more senators would be one one of those countries at that time visiting them, ore is that to much.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 15:28:55 GMT
Understood. I'll keep the prohibition of asking for takers in mind. To ask the needed question, what's the fate of uptimer US civilians and military personnel who were overseas when the ISOT occurred? They'd be faced with the dilemma of aligning with the socio-culturally similar, technologically up-to-speed Asia-Pacific powers, or much-too-socially-conservative '50s America--whose uptimer counterpart they pledged fealty to. Between those options, there should inevitably be legal disputes. What about a Free American government, i can imagine that one ore more senators would be one one of those countries at that time visiting them, ore is that to much. Sorry lordroel, but with all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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Post by stevep on Dec 9, 2018 15:29:30 GMT
Understood. I'll keep the prohibition of asking for takers in mind. To ask the needed question, what's the fate of uptimer US civilians and military personnel who were overseas when the ISOT occurred? They'd be faced with the dilemma of aligning with the socio-culturally similar, technologically up-to-speed Asia-Pacific powers, or much-too-socially-conservative '50s America--whose uptimer counterpart they pledged fealty to. Between those options, there should inevitably be legal disputes. What about a Free American government, i can imagine that one ore more senators would be one one of those countries at that time visiting them, ore is that to much.
I don't think that would be very successful to be honest, other than possibly as a propaganda tool for communists or other anti-American forces. While a lot about 1950's America [and other countries] would see unpleasant to up-timers its still basically a democratic state, at least by the standards of the time. Also any elected official doesn't really have any authority as that was done by people from 2006 and he has a down-time equivalent. If anyone did anything like that I think even a lot of the up-timers would see this as pointless if not in some cases almost treasonous.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 15:32:01 GMT
What about a Free American government, i can imagine that one ore more senators would be one one of those countries at that time visiting them, ore is that to much. Sorry lordroel, but with all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by this. My fault, do not think i know what i typed as well, sorry.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 15:35:18 GMT
What about a Free American government, i can imagine that one ore more senators would be one one of those countries at that time visiting them, ore is that to much.
I don't think that would be very successful to be honest, other than possibly as a propaganda tool for communists or other anti-American forces. While a lot about 1950's America [and other countries] would see unpleasant to up-timers its still basically a democratic state, at least by the standards of the time. Also any elected official doesn't really have any authority as that was done by people from 2006 and he has a down-time equivalent. If anyone did anything like that I think even a lot of the up-timers would see this as pointless if not in some cases almost treasonous.
We're dealing with the modern-day Asia-Pacific getting ISOTed back, though. Not its 2006 iteration. But I understand your point (though I'm sure it'd be offered and rejected in closed-doors uptimer meetings). Is there anything that Washington, DC in particular might do to get uptimer Americans on their side? They'd taken none too kindly to a great many 21st Century-era citizens and military personnel staying overseas. What they'd precisely do about that remains uncertain to me.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 15:37:42 GMT
They'd taken none too kindly to a great many 21st Century-era citizens and military personnel staying overseas. What they'd precisely do about that remains uncertain to me. Do you think they might be happy as well with many modern Americans, military ore civilians coming to a country who still has segregation in the South.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 9, 2018 15:43:13 GMT
They'd taken none too kindly to a great many 21st Century-era citizens and military personnel staying overseas. What they'd precisely do about that remains uncertain to me. Do you think they might be happy as well with many modern Americans, military ore civilians coming to a country who still has segregation in the South. Not once they start getting vocal about their dissatisfaction with '50s America and inevitably demand that change take place (i.e. earlier Civil Rights legislation, acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community, etcétera). In fact, I wonder if downtimer authorities would actively want them to stay in the Asia-Pacific. Of course, that same region will probably want them to enact reforms or they won't have access to so much shiny uptimer tech. So calls for change (and the resistance they entail) are invariable, really.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2018 15:44:58 GMT
Do you think they might be happy as well with many modern Americans, military ore civilians coming to a country who still has segregation in the South. Not once they start getting vocal about their dissatisfaction with '50s America and inevitably demand that change take place (i.e. earlier Civil Rights legislation, acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community, etcétera). That will not happen in a day ore even a year, it will take many years for it to happen, even with the help of up timers.
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