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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2020 10:49:49 GMT
I assume the Polish Air Force has mostly gone with Western fighters like the F-16 and maybe the F-15 replacing their Mig-29s. Yup, they'd have gone with the F-16 at first, with a view to replacing it with the F-35 eventually. I'd also give them some EA-18Gs for an EW capability, like Germany is doing now. In the Larry Bond novel Cauldron the Polish have F-15s replacing their Migs 29 and it is nice to see the one of the Polish character flying it finding it strange that a former Warsaw Pact members is flying F-15s and is fighting a former NATO member (Germany) that is flying former East German Mig-29s. |
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Post by forcon on May 10, 2020 11:04:54 GMT
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Post by forcon on May 10, 2020 11:06:54 GMT
Yup, they'd have gone with the F-16 at first, with a view to replacing it with the F-35 eventually. I'd also give them some EA-18Gs for an EW capability, like Germany is doing now. In the Larry Bond novel Cauldron the Polish have F-15s replacing their Migs 29 and it is nice to see the one of the Polish character flying it finding it strange that a former Warsaw Pact members is flying F-15s and is fighting a former NATO member (Germany) that is flying former East German Mig-29s. I read the book, but I think Poland would go with a multirole fighter like the F-16 rather than a pure air superiority fighter. I'd stick with the F-16 & EA-18, with the F-35 deliveries beginning circa 2020. |
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2020 11:17:25 GMT
In the Larry Bond novel Cauldron the Polish have F-15s replacing their Migs 29 and it is nice to see the one of the Polish character flying it finding it strange that a former Warsaw Pact members is flying F-15s and is fighting a former NATO member (Germany) that is flying former East German Mig-29s. I read the book, but I think Poland would go with a multirole fighter like the F-16 rather than a pure air superiority fighter. I'd stick with the F-16 & EA-18, with the F-35 deliveries beginning circa 2020. So no Mirage 2000 ore Gripen for them then, this link Poland F-16 says they wanted 100 of them but that they only bought 48 F-16s in OTL, i see in this universe they might buy all 100 in return of them most likely being build in Poland and that any other former Warsaw pact country that buys a F-16 will be build in Poland. |
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Post by forcon on May 10, 2020 11:24:00 GMT
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1990s:
In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine and Belarus retain close security ties to Moscow. Russian Army Groups are maintained in each country. Hardliners come to power in Russia in the early 1990s, and eventually Ukraine and Belarus are bullied and intimidated into being de facto puppet states of Russia. In Ukraine, this means Russian forces surrounding the Ukrainian Army garrisons and rolling into Kiev when an anti-Russian politician tries to go fully independent. The Ukrainain and Belarusian nuclear arsenals are taken into Russian custody during this period; the Ukrainians and Belarusians never had the PALs to use the weapons anyway. Russian forces also occupy the Baltic States in the mid 1990s. With the bottom never having fallen out from beneath the Russians, NATO maintains an army to fight WW3 in Europe, especially as Russia acts more and more belligerently towards the West. This means Britain retains I Corps in Germany, and while the US scales back from the eighteen division capability of the Cold War, twelve active divisions are retained, two in Europe under V Corps. The collapse of Yugoslavia takes place similarly to OTL, with military intervention by the West and Russia alike. The Pristina airport incident results in a bloody skirmish between Russian and NATO advance elements, which does not cause a war, but only worsens relations in Europe as Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic join NATO.
2000s:
At the turn of the century, Colour revolutions sweep through Central Asia, striking fear into Moscow's heart. Protests in Ukraine are brutally suppressed. Worsening relations is the NATO invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, following the WTC attacks, which occurred as per OTL. Fighting in Afghanistan is over quickly, but Russia is greatly displeased that NATO is 'encircling' it. An insurgency still occurs in Afghanistan, but with no Iraq War, counterinsurgency remains a secondary priority for the Western militaries. By this point, China is also beginning her rise as a superpower. The US is also concerned about Iran and Iraq. The latter falls into chaos with the outbreak of the Arab Spring, with the Kurdish north coming under Turkish occupation, the Sunni territory going independent, and the Shi'ite south falling under Iranian 'protection', thus giving Iran a border with Kuwait, to the horror of the Gulf States. Sunni Central Iraq soon becomes host to a multinational peacekeeping force, while Turkey begins a repressive campaign in Iraqi Kurdistan to prevent the rise of Kurdish nationalism within its own borders.
2010s:
A new Cold War has effectively developed across Europe and Asia, with Russian forces staring down the Polish and Slovak armies from the Belarusian and Ukrainian borders. China is rising as a superpower and has begun throwing its weight around in the South China Sea; North Korea is developing its nuclear arsenal; Iran is testing the waters in the Persian Gulf.
Potential events: A new regime comes to power in the 2010s, and while it is still heinously repressive, the new regime relaxes its grip on society somewhat, and turns back to China for economic growth and protection, with the possibility of a deal that removes North Korea's nuclear arsenal and puts the DPRK under Chinese protection, thus expanding China's influence in Asia with troops in North Korea. Turkey withdraws from or is booted out of NATO after continuing its repression of the Kurds, and turns to China for its new ally, buying PRC-made weaponry and making deals with Beijing. China also expands its influence in Africa with a military base in the Sudan. Britain intervenes in Nigeria against Boko Haram on a large scale a.l.a Sierra Leone in 2001.
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Post by forcon on May 10, 2020 11:24:54 GMT
I read the book, but I think Poland would go with a multirole fighter like the F-16 rather than a pure air superiority fighter. I'd stick with the F-16 & EA-18, with the F-35 deliveries beginning circa 2020. So no Mirage 2000 ore Gripen for them then, this link Poland F-16 says they wanted 100 of them but that they only bought 48 F-16s in OTL, i see in this universe they might buy all 100 in return of them most likely being build in Poland and that any other former Warsaw pact country that buys a F-16 will be build in Poland. Building the F-16s in Poland is a good idea; I also think they could choose the Gripen instead of the F-16 in the first place, although the F-16 is more likely for political reasons. But the Gripen could work too. |
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2020 11:28:05 GMT
So no Mirage 2000 ore Gripen for them then, this link Poland F-16 says they wanted 100 of them but that they only bought 48 F-16s in OTL, i see in this universe they might buy all 100 in return of them most likely being build in Poland and that any other former Warsaw pact country that buys a F-16 will be build in Poland. Building the F-16s in Poland is a good idea; I also think they could choose the Gripen instead of the F-16 in the first place, although the F-16 is more likely for political reasons. But the Gripen could work too. Think the F-16 will win, if not due the political pressure and money trowing the United States can do a lot more than Sweden. |
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Post by stevep on May 11, 2020 7:35:32 GMT
Yup, they'd have gone with the F-16 at first, with a view to replacing it with the F-35 eventually. I'd also give them some EA-18Gs for an EW capability, like Germany is doing now. In the Larry Bond novel Cauldron the Polish have F-15s replacing their Migs 29 and it is nice to see the one of the Polish character flying it finding it strange that a former Warsaw Pact members is flying F-15s and is fighting a former NATO member (Germany) that is flying former East German Mig-29s.
Made me curious to have a look on wiki and by the sound of it even for a technp-thriller its a pretty crap plot. Could see a Franco-German bloc possibly getting that deranged in a decade or two as the EU keeps digging a pit for the continent but doubt if even then it would get that bad. Not to mention the idea of a nuclear strike on US forces  or the fact that Britain seems to have disappeared into the North Sea as no mention of us at in a major war across Europe.
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Post by James G on May 11, 2020 9:21:54 GMT
In the Larry Bond novel Cauldron the Polish have F-15s replacing their Migs 29 and it is nice to see the one of the Polish character flying it finding it strange that a former Warsaw Pact members is flying F-15s and is fighting a former NATO member (Germany) that is flying former East German Mig-29s.
Made me curious to have a look on wiki and by the sound of it even for a technp-thriller its a pretty crap plot. Could see a Franco-German bloc possibly getting that deranged in a decade or two as the EU keeps digging a pit for the continent but doubt if even then it would get that bad. Not to mention the idea of a nuclear strike on US forces or the fact that Britain seems to have disappeared into the North Sea as no mention of us at in a major war across Europe.
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Na, the Wiki article is crap. It is a run read and Britain has a role. |
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Post by stevep on May 11, 2020 10:50:26 GMT
Made me curious to have a look on wiki and by the sound of it even for a technp-thriller its a pretty crap plot. Could see a Franco-German bloc possibly getting that deranged in a decade or two as the EU keeps digging a pit for the continent but doubt if even then it would get that bad. Not to mention the idea of a nuclear strike on US forces or the fact that Britain seems to have disappeared into the North Sea as no mention of us at in a major war across Europe.
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Na, the Wiki article is crap. It is a run read and Britain has a role.
Oh so there's a basis for governments in France and Germany going so bat-shit insane?
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Post by forcon on May 11, 2020 11:19:36 GMT
Guys, if you're going to argue about how realistic a Larry Bond novel is, please do it somewhere else. No offence, I just want to keep this thread for my in-progress world-building project.
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Post by forcon on May 12, 2020 10:10:15 GMT
I need some opinions, people.
What do you think the USAF use to replace the EF-111 in the EW role? My options are to have a modified F-15E variant, or for the Air Force to buy the EA-18G used by the Navy?
So, EA-18 or a modified Strike Eagle, the EF-15?
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Post by simon darkshade on May 12, 2020 10:35:51 GMT
With an ongoing threat, it would be more likely to see the EF-15 than adopting a Navy bird. The F-111s could stick around a bit longer.
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Post by stevep on May 12, 2020 11:06:16 GMT
Guys, if you're going to argue about how realistic a Larry Bond novel is, please do it somewhere else. No offence, I just want to keep this thread for my in-progress world-building project.
Apologies for side-tracking the thread. 
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Post by forcon on May 12, 2020 12:51:40 GMT
Guys, if you're going to argue about how realistic a Larry Bond novel is, please do it somewhere else. No offence, I just want to keep this thread for my in-progress world-building project.
Apologies for side-tracking the thread.
Steve
No worries. The book is pretty good, but it does have it's flaws and something of an anti-Europe slant, but that can be forgiven. It was written in the 1990s, right after the Cold War. I enjoyed it. |
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or the fact that Britain seems to have disappeared into the North Sea as no mention of us at in a major war across Europe.
