Massoud lives?

[James G]

Ahmad Shah Massoud, enemy of the Soviets and the Taliban, was killed by Al Qaeda on September 9th 2001.
Two days later, Al Qaeda struck the United States.

Let us say that Massoud lives. Maybe he survives the blast or, the attack fails to happen?
Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?
What kind of role would a surviving Massoud have during an American invasion of Afghanistan should 9/11 still have gone ahead and he was there to fight the Taliban with them?

[lordroel]

Jun 27, 2020 18:12:44 GMT James G said:

Ahmad Shah Massoud, enemy of the Soviets and the Taliban, was killed by Al Qaeda on September 9th 2001.
Two days later, Al Qaeda struck the United States.

Let us say that Massoud lives. Maybe he survives the blast or, the attack fails to happen?
Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?
What kind of role would a surviving Massoud have during an American invasion of Afghanistan should 9/11 still have gone ahead and he was there to fight the Taliban with them?

Did he not die at the hands of a fake news team with explosive hidden in a camera.

[James G]

Jun 27, 2020 18:19:39 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:12:44 GMT James G said:

Ahmad Shah Massoud, enemy of the Soviets and the Taliban, was killed by Al Qaeda on September 9th 2001.
Two days later, Al Qaeda struck the United States.

Let us say that Massoud lives. Maybe he survives the blast or, the attack fails to happen?
Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?
What kind of role would a surviving Massoud have during an American invasion of Afghanistan should 9/11 still have gone ahead and he was there to fight the Taliban with them?

Did he not die at the hands of a fake news team with explosive hidden in a camera.

My thinking was that the bomb or intentions of the bombers was discovered, or, the bomb goes off and he lives.

[lordroel]

Jun 27, 2020 18:34:12 GMT James G said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:19:39 GMT lordroel said:

Did he not die at the hands of a fake news team with explosive hidden in a camera.

My thinking was that the bomb or intentions of the bombers was discovered, or, the bomb goes off and he lives.

I am also have read that the ISI, the premier intelligence agency of Pakistan might have something to do with this ore they help the once who killed him.

[James G]

Jun 27, 2020 18:45:02 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:34:12 GMT James G said:

My thinking was that the bomb or intentions of the bombers was discovered, or, the bomb goes off and he lives.

I am also have read that the ISI, the premier intelligence agency of Pakistan might have something to do with this ore they help the once who killed him.

Massoud had connections with India. Pakistan interference in Afghanistan has long been down to fears about India.
Not heard of this with the ISI before but I wouldn't be surprised.

[lordroel]

Jun 27, 2020 19:13:35 GMT James G said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:45:02 GMT lordroel said:

I am also have read that the ISI, the premier intelligence agency of Pakistan might have something to do with this ore they help the once who killed him.

Massoud had connections with India. Pakistan interference in Afghanistan has long been down to fears about India.
Not heard of this with the ISI before but I wouldn't be surprised.

You can read it on his Wikipedia page: Ahmad Shah Massoud

About the ISI:

The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, an Afghan Wahhabi Islamist, have also been mentioned as possible organizers or collaborators of the Massoud assassins.

And back to topic, the would-be suicide attackers "were so worried" and threatened to leave if the interview did not happen in the next 24 hours (until September 10, 2001), so if they did not get the interview, Massoud would have lived, i doubt the 9/11 attacks would not have been prevented if he had lived, but he would be a better person the United states could work with to bring stability in Afghanistan.

[stevep]

Jun 27, 2020 19:17:17 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 27, 2020 19:13:35 GMT James G said:

Massoud had connections with India. Pakistan interference in Afghanistan has long been down to fears about India.
Not heard of this with the ISI before but I wouldn't be surprised.

You can read it on his Wikipedia page: Ahmad Shah Massoud

About the ISI:

The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, an Afghan Wahhabi Islamist, have also been mentioned as possible organizers or collaborators of the Massoud assassins.

And back to topic, the would-be suicide attackers "were so worried" and threatened to leave if the interview did not happen in the next 24 hours (until September 10, 2001), so if they did not get the interview, Massoud would have lived, i doubt the 9/11 attacks would not have been prevented if he had lived, but he would be a better person the United states could work with to bring stability in Afghanistan.

  Would agree.  Can't see the 11th Sept attacks being called off and baring some fluke their still likely to go roughly as OTL.  However especially if he has just survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban he would make a very good ally for the US, at least provided the latter have a more responsible post-invasion policy.  [If they still blunder about rather aimlessly and end up arresting a lot of people with minimal evidence, let alone too much massed firepower  then he's probably going to be less than impressed.].  Since he has a lot of experience as a military leader and an opponent of the Soviets during their occupation he can bring a lot of knowledge and prestige to the anti-Taliban cause.  Possibly this time, given the revulsion their occupation caused inside the country we could have a much better prevention of the vermin re-establishing themselves.  Although as mentioned Pakistan is likely to be a problem here.

  Never knew Massoud had connections with India but probably reasonably logical given the support the Taliban were getting from Pakistan.

[gillan1220]

Massoud would have been a useful ally for the US Special Forces alongside Dostum.

[Deleted]

Jun 27, 2020 18:12:44 GMT James G said:

Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?

Al-Qaeda did not exist on 9-9-01, so was not in any position to call off any attacks.

The attackers were already committed to the Planes Operation going ahead.

[gillan1220]

Jul 1, 2020 12:38:36 GMT @vonhitchofen said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:12:44 GMT James G said:

Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?

Al-Qaeda did not exist on 9-9-01, so was not in any position to call off any attacks.

The attackers were already committed to the Planes Operation going ahead.

Huh? AQ existed since 1988. An Afghan War hero's survival won't affect the plans for the attacks on the U.S.

[James G]

Jul 1, 2020 12:38:36 GMT @vonhitchofen said:

Jun 27, 2020 18:12:44 GMT James G said:

Is it possible that Al Qaeda would call of the 9/11 attacks?

Al-Qaeda did not exist on 9-9-01, so was not in any position to call off any attacks.

The attackers were already committed to the Planes Operation going ahead.

Yeah they did. They attacked the embassies in East Africa and hit the USS Cole. There were many more plans too.
AQ was a newborn but alive and kicking.

[gillan1220]

Jul 1, 2020 12:49:38 GMT James G said:

Jul 1, 2020 12:38:36 GMT @vonhitchofen said:

Al-Qaeda did not exist on 9-9-01, so was not in any position to call off any attacks.

The attackers were already committed to the Planes Operation going ahead.

Yeah they did. They attacked the embassies in East Africa and hit the USS Cole. There were many more plans too.
AQ was a newborn but alive and kicking.

There was also the Bojinka Plan or the Manila Air Plot which would have involved the assassination of Pope John Paul II during his visit to Manila as part of World Youth Day 1995 and blowing up airlines over the Pacific.

These were supposed to be carried out by agents affliated or at-least connected with AQ.

[Deleted]

Jul 1, 2020 12:42:44 GMT gillan1220 said:

Huh? AQ existed since 1988.

"Al-qaeda" was summoned into existence by the US Department of Justice in 1999-2000, on the sole testimony of a Sudanese man who defrauded Usama bin Laden of the equivalent of $100,000, so bin Laden could be charged alongside the men the FBI had been arrested for the Nairobi—Dar-es-Salaam bombing under the RICO act.

The organisation bin Laden led called itself the "International Islamic Front for Jihad", only styling itself as "al-qaeda" (The Foundation) after the 9/11 attacks. The attacks on the World Trade Center, etc were planned by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the only conspirator left alive after 9/11) so bin Laden's influence over the Planes Operation was non-existent.

Jul 1, 2020 12:49:38 GMT James G said:

Yeah they did. They attacked the embassies in East Africa and hit the USS Cole. There were many more plans too.

Bin Laden's links to Nairobi—Dar-es-Salaam bombing and the USS Cole bombing were tenuous at best, hence the need to create a fictitious tentacular Islamist terrorist organisation. of the kind you only find in comics and James Bond films.

Bin Laden's greatest trick was persuading you Al-Qaeda existed.

[James G]

Jul 1, 2020 20:35:06 GMT @vonhitchofen said:

Jul 1, 2020 12:42:44 GMT gillan1220 said:

Huh? AQ existed since 1988.

"Al-qaeda" was summoned into existence by the US Department of Justice in 1999-2000, on the sole testimony of a Sudanese man who defrauded Usama bin Laden of the equivalent of $100,000, so bin Laden could be charged alongside the men the FBI had been arrested for the Nairobi—Dar-es-Salaam bombing under the RICO act.

The organisation bin Laden led called itself the "International Islamic Front for Jihad", only styling itself as "al-qaeda" (The Foundation) after the 9/11 attacks. The attacks on the World Trade Center, etc were planned by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the only conspirator left alive after 9/11) so bin Laden's influence over the Planes Operation was non-existent.

Jul 1, 2020 12:49:38 GMT James G said:

Yeah they did. They attacked the embassies in East Africa and hit the USS Cole. There were many more plans too.

Bin Laden's links to Nairobi—Dar-es-Salaam bombing and the USS Cole bombing were tenuous at best, hence the need to create a fictitious tentacular Islamist terrorist organisation. of the kind you only find in comics and James Bond films.

Bin Laden's greatest trick was persuading you Al-Qaeda existed.

You are spouting conspiracy theory nonsense.

[lordroel]

Jul 1, 2020 20:35:06 GMT @vonhitchofen said:

Bin Laden's greatest trick was persuading you Al-Qaeda existed.

Going to give you a WARNING for this @vonhitchofen, conspiracy theories are not allowed on this forum, Al-Qaeda does exist and many people lives have been effected by it, please do not say these things again, thank you.